ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?

[Mr Gray]

The message being sent out is that citizenship isn't sonething to feel secure about.

Precisely... It should not be taken for granted... I think most if us have nothing to worry about ..Abu hamzas son has list his too... Have you been crying fir him as, well

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6731669/amp/Now-Abu-Hamzas-terrorist-son-begs-let-Britain.html

Why are the UK govt so cruel... At least they haven't sawn their heads off live on video

[Eleanor]

Most of them are ex Caliphate fighters and their families. There are around 30,000 pf them in that camp, including British, Canadian and French citizens.
 https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/shamima-begum-isis-bride

If every country does the same as the UK then are the locals expected to look after these people indefinately? That's hardly fair.

That is Syria's problem.  Begum's baby is Syrian.

[G-Unit]

That is Syria's problem.  Begum's baby is Syrian.

Why is it Syria's problem? Did they invite these people in? I think the baby is British, whch I think the Home Secretary acknowledged.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why is it Syria's problem? Did they invite these people in? I think the baby is British, whch I think the Home Secretary acknowledged ut.

Why is the baby not Dutch?

[Eleanor]

Why is it Syria's problem? Did they invite these people in? I think the baby is British, whch I think the Home Secretary acknowledged.

It is Syria's problem because that is where they are.

The baby is Syrian because he was born in Syria.

[Mr Gray]

Why is it Syria's problem? Did they invite these people in? I think the baby is British, whch I think the Home Secretary acknowledged.

Why is it the uks problem... The UK didn't tell them to go... It's their own problem... Why is the baby British... He has never been to the uk and doesn't have a uk passport.. Is he British by descent as his mother is Bangladeshi by descent

[G-Unit]

It is Syria's problem because that is where they are.

The baby is Syrian because he was born in Syria.

Most of those in the refugee camp entered Syria illegally by sneaking across the border with Turkey. I assume that they can be deported as illegal immigrants. Children born in Syria arem't automatically citizens. If their parents have another natiionality at the time of the child's birth it takes their nationality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_nationality_law

[Mr Gray]

Most of those in the refugee camp entered Syria illegally by sneaking across the border with Turkey. I assume that they can be deported as illegal immigrants. Children born in Syria arem't automatically citizens. If their parents have another natiionality at the time of the child's birth it takes their nationality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_nationality_law

as i understand a child has to apply for nationality...

[Eleanor]

Most of those in the refugee camp entered Syria illegally by sneaking across the border with Turkey. I assume that they can be deported as illegal immigrants. Children born in Syria arem't automatically citizens. If their parents have another natiionality at the time of the child's birth it takes their nationality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_nationality_law

Shamima Begum had two nationalities.  Now she has one.  And it isn't British.

You can't have this two ways to which.

If the baby takes his mother's nationality then his mother takes her mother's nationality.

[Mr Gray]

In the UK its necessarry to provide evidence when applying for a childs first passport....birth certificate.....i presume she will need to provide some sort of evidence...what evidence can she provide that the child is hers....i think we have to have some proof of this before granting citizenship and granting  passport

Accept nothing
Believe no-one
Confirm everything

[G-Unit]

Shamima Begum had two nationalities.  Now she has one.  And it isn't British.

You can't have this two ways to which.

If the baby takes his mother's nationality then his mother takes her mother's nationality.

Begum is, at this moment, stateless.

Nationality laws aren't all the same; each country has it's own. Syria's law is quite clear; the child isn't Syrian, he's either British or Dutch.

It has not yet been decided whether Begum can take her mother's nationality.

[Mr Gray]

Begum is, at this moment, stateless.

Nationality laws aren't all the same; each country has it's own. Syria's law is quite clear; the child isn't Syrian, he's either British or Dutch.

It has not yet been decided whether Begum can take her mother's nationality.

the child may be neither british or dutch without further evidence...

she is eligible to apply for a bangladeshi passport....thats why the HO were able to remove her UK citizenship

[G-Unit]

In the UK its necessarry to provide evidence when applying for a childs first passport....birth certificate.....i presume she will need to provide some sort of evidence...what evidence can she provide that the child is hers....i think we have to have some proof of this before granting citizenship and granting  passport

Accept nothing
Believe no-one
Confirm everything

It isn't necessary to have a British birth certificate to get a passport for a British child.

.You can still apply for a UK passport for your child even if you don’t register the birth in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/register-a-birth

[Brietta]

Begum is, at this moment, stateless.

Nationality laws aren't all the same; each country has it's own. Syria's law is quite clear; the child isn't Syrian, he's either British or Dutch.

It has not yet been decided whether Begum can take her mother's nationality.

Bangladeshi citizenship is based primarily on jus sanguinis, through blood.

Citizenship By City-of-birth
CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH
Those that are born to at least one Bangladeshi parent acquire citizenship at birth. Those that are born in Bangladesh to parents whose identity and/or nationality are unknown also acquire citizenship by birth, as the child is assumed to be born to Bangladeshi nationals.

Citizenship at birth is also conferred upon Urdu-speaking people of Bangladesh since May 2008.
https://www.dualcitizenship.com/countries/bangladesh.html


Her legal argument would not appear to be with Britain.  She may not want to go to Bangladesh and Bangladesh may not want her to go there either ... but according to the above ... I don't think either she or Bangladesh have much legal say in the matter.

[Eleanor]

Begum is, at this moment, stateless.

Nationality laws aren't all the same; each country has it's own. Syria's law is quite clear; the child isn't Syrian, he's either British or Dutch.

It has not yet been decided whether Begum can take her mother's nationality.

So you can take your pick, which ever suits you best?

Personally, I don't think that Javid is going to get away with this, and I can't say that I care all that much, but it will all take some time, which will give her and others time to reflect on what they have done.

Don't mock Britain.  Britain has a nasty habit of fighting back, eventually.