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Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #495 on: March 28, 2019, 10:52:05 PM »
I never said it had any relevance, I was only asking. Do you know at all, and who it was that told them?

In Harrison's report of 23(?) July 2007 he referred to the use of a VRD dog team & an EVRD + CSI blood dog. He only costed the EVRD + CSI dog. Therefore any decision to only use Eddie & Keela must have been made on or after that date but I don't know offhand who told the McCanns. Gerry had previously asked for specialist dogs from the UK to be deployed & the UK police had offered such a service to the PJ in the early days but the PJ declined.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #496 on: March 28, 2019, 10:54:12 PM »
Harrison's expertise was geo-forensics & locating missing people, not cadaver dog handling. He worked for NPIA, not ACPO.
To the best of my knowledge, Eddie was Grime's first cadaver dog. His CV was with NPIA - was that standard practice for all serving UK police dog handlers?
I am not the only person on this forum to conclude that Eddie did not alert to CC & my earlier post did not include that claim.
Instead of criticising what I can't explain after watching the Luz video & copious amounts of research (bearing in mind I could be on a jury asked to consider similar evidence) perhaps you could present the dog evidence in a form other than "because Grime said so..."

So the National Polucing Improvement Agency were sending out two men to advise all UK police agencies and they never noticed those men were incompetent?  &%%6 how clever are you!!





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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #497 on: March 28, 2019, 11:04:56 PM »
So the National Polucing Improvement Agency were sending out two men to advise all UK police agencies and they never noticed those men were incompetent?  &%%6 how clever are you!!
There is incompetence in all areas of both the public and private sectors and at all levels from CEO to cleaner, the police are certainly not exempt- did you watch the Yorkshire Ripper documentary?
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Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #498 on: March 28, 2019, 11:12:45 PM »
So the National Polucing Improvement Agency were sending out two men to advise all UK police agencies and they never noticed those men were incompetent?  &%%6 how clever are you!!

I'm at a loss to understand what you mean. Harrison was sent out to consider where Madeleine's body may have been buried, had she been murdered, based on his knowledge of geo-forensics. That's his specialist field (hence his involvement in the searches for flight MH370 which didn't require dogs). He wasn't qualified to recognise the capability levels of a cadaver dog or handler & if a dog's record is based on the number of bodies it locates then Eddie didn't score very highly imo.

Offline Cheeky Monkey

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #499 on: March 28, 2019, 11:24:01 PM »
In Harrison's report of 23(?) July 2007 he referred to the use of a VRD dog team & an EVRD + CSI blood dog. He only costed the EVRD + CSI dog. Therefore any decision to only use Eddie & Keela must have been made on or after that date but I don't know offhand who told the McCanns. Gerry had previously asked for specialist dogs from the UK to be deployed & the UK police had offered such a service to the PJ in the early days but the PJ declined.
Seems a strange request from Gerry don't you think given he viewed these specialist dogs as incredibly unreliable?
However, Harrison was actually sent on the 20th of July prior to writing his report. Gerry was in direct telephone contact with Stuart Prior between 3rd to 19th July and hey presto 12th of July cuddle cat goes into the washing machine.
I make absolutely no apologies for refusing point blank to buy the 'it was filthy with suntan lotion' excuse - no way. IMO no normal grieving mother or father washes their missing child's soft toy while their still missing. If so, cite a single example? I lost a handicapped sister some years ago and she had a soft toy that's a small dog of all things, it's dirty, it's dusty it's got her soul all over it. The thought of putting it through a wash will never enter my head. They had 70 days to wash the toy, the fact is, they choose to do it around the time of learning about the dogs, 12th July. Martin Grimes said the dog alerted to the toy and Kate popping it into the washing confirms that alert without any doubt to me.
From my personal experience, no amount of research on cadaver dogs will ever mitigate two innocent parents of a missing child washing their missing daughter's soft toy. Just doesn't happen imo.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2019, 11:26:31 PM by Cheeky Monkey »
Gerry McCann: "If you think about the millions and millions of British families who go to the Mediterranean each year, really the chances of this happening are in the order of 100 million to one."

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #500 on: March 28, 2019, 11:24:19 PM »
In Harrison's report of 23(?) July 2007 he referred to the use of a VRD dog team & an EVRD + CSI blood dog. He only costed the EVRD + CSI dog. Therefore any decision to only use Eddie & Keela must have been made on or after that date but I don't know offhand who told the McCanns. Gerry had previously asked for specialist dogs from the UK to be deployed & the UK police had offered such a service to the PJ in the early days but the PJ declined.

Mark Harrison knew all about these dogs well before the McCann case.

31 DEC 2005

Her handler, Pc Martin Grime, has been responsible for training Keela, along with National Search Adviser Mark Harrison, since June last year.

Keela, a 16-month-old springer spaniel, can sniff out the smallest samples of human blood - even after items have been cleaned or washed many times.

A South Yorkshire force spokeswoman said Keela - officially a crime scene investigation dog - has saved more then 200,000 nationally since April this year, helping with investigations in Ireland, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Surrey and the Thames Valley.

 http://eddieandkeela.blogspot.com/2005/12/how-police-dog-earns-more-than-top.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #501 on: March 28, 2019, 11:31:18 PM »
Tell me, when you were conducting this research, did you ever discover what exact date they were told about the dogs going to PDL?

According to Kate's book they may have been told on 18th July, but she isn't soecific about who told them. She says the NPIA received the request on 20th July and Harrison must have moved fast as his first report was written on 23rd. Gerry McCann flew to Washington that day. On 20th Jose de Freitas visited their villa and said something about the planning for the searches.
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Offline Cheeky Monkey

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #502 on: March 28, 2019, 11:35:59 PM »
According to Kate's book they may have been told on 18th July, but she isn't soecific about who told them. She says the NPIA received the request on 20th July and Harrison must have moved fast as his first report was written on 23rd. Gerry McCann flew to Washington that day. On 20th Jose de Freitas visited their villa and said something about the planning for the searches.
I knew I seen the 18th somewhere thanks, but Gerry was also in direct contact with Stuart Prior between the 3rd and the day after the 18th. July is also when the car began to stink.
Gerry McCann: "If you think about the millions and millions of British families who go to the Mediterranean each year, really the chances of this happening are in the order of 100 million to one."

Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #503 on: March 28, 2019, 11:42:59 PM »
Seems a strange request from Gerry don't you think given he viewed these specialist dogs as incredibly unreliable?
However, Harrison was actually sent on the 20th of July prior to writing his report. Gerry was in direct telephone contact with Stuart Prior between 3rd to 19th July and hey presto 12th of July cuddle cat goes into the washing machine.
I make absolutely no apologies for refusing point blank to buy the 'it was filthy with suntan lotion' excuse - no way. IMO no normal grieving mother or father washes their missing child's soft toy while their still missing. If so, cite a single example? I lost a handicapped sister some years ago and she had a soft toy that's a small dog of all things, it's dirty, it's dusty it's got her soul all over it. The thought of putting it through a wash will never enter my head. They had 70 days to wash the toy, the fact is, they choose to do it around the time of learning about the dogs, 12th July. Martin Grimes said the dog alerted to the toy and Kate popping it into the washing confirms that alert without any doubt to me.
From my personal experience, no amount of research on cadaver dogs will ever mitigate two innocent parents of a missing child washing their missing daughter's soft toy. Just doesn't happen imo.

I am sorry for your loss and assume your sister's toy dog remained within the confines of your home rather than carried around a holiday resort by mum & siblings.
From Kate's diary http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/19-Sep8/NOTW-14-09-08.htm
THURSDAY, JULY 12: I hate the person who took my Madeleine'the same one who has caused all this trouble, who made us feel worthless and mistrustful and mainly who has frightened my beautiful Madeleine. I will never forgive that person/those people for this. Never.

Today I washed the Cuddle Cat (Madeleine's favourite soft toy and a constant comfort to heartbroken Kate). I was hoping not to have to do it until Madeleine returns, but it was now quite dirty and smelly, unfortunately without the smell of Madeleine on it. XX


Please then read the entry of Wed 18th July 2007.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #504 on: March 28, 2019, 11:43:29 PM »
Seems a strange request from Gerry don't you think given he viewed these specialist dogs as incredibly unreliable?
However, Harrison was actually sent on the 20th of July prior to writing his report. Gerry was in direct telephone contact with Stuart Prior between 3rd to 19th July and hey presto 12th of July cuddle cat goes into the washing machine.
I make absolutely no apologies for refusing point blank to buy the 'it was filthy with suntan lotion' excuse - no way. IMO no normal grieving mother or father washes their missing child's soft toy while their still missing. If so, cite a single example? I lost a handicapped sister some years ago and she had a soft toy that's a small dog of all things, it's dirty, it's dusty it's got her soul all over it. The thought of putting it through a wash will never enter my head. They had 70 days to wash the toy, the fact is, they choose to do it around the time of learning about the dogs, 12th July. Martin Grimes said the dog alerted to the toy and Kate popping it into the washing confirms that alert without any doubt to me.
From my personal experience, no amount of research on cadaver dogs will ever mitigate two innocent parents of a missing child washing their missing daughter's soft toy. Just doesn't happen imo.

My grandson was killed in an RTA 7 years ago and my daughter still has his unwashed clothes. Madeleine's clothes went to the laundry almost straight away. 
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #505 on: March 28, 2019, 11:45:21 PM »
Seems a strange request from Gerry don't you think given he viewed these specialist dogs as incredibly unreliable?
However, Harrison was actually sent on the 20th of July prior to writing his report. Gerry was in direct telephone contact with Stuart Prior between 3rd to 19th July and hey presto 12th of July cuddle cat goes into the washing machine.
I make absolutely no apologies for refusing point blank to buy the 'it was filthy with suntan lotion' excuse - no way. IMO no normal grieving mother or father washes their missing child's soft toy while their still missing. If so, cite a single example? I lost a handicapped sister some years ago and she had a soft toy that's a small dog of all things, it's dirty, it's dusty it's got her soul all over it. The thought of putting it through a wash will never enter my head. They had 70 days to wash the toy, the fact is, they choose to do it around the time of learning about the dogs, 12th July. Martin Grimes said the dog alerted to the toy and Kate popping it into the washing confirms that alert without any doubt to me.
From my personal experience, no amount of research on cadaver dogs will ever mitigate two innocent parents of a missing child washing their missing daughter's soft toy. Just doesn't happen imo.
What personal experience have you had of innocent parents of missing children and their soft toy cleanliness regimes?
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #506 on: March 28, 2019, 11:47:51 PM »
My grandson was killed in an RTA 7 years ago and my daughter still has his unwashed clothes. Madeleine's clothes went to the laundry almost straight away.
I am sorry for your loss but what is the point of tnis observation ?
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #507 on: March 28, 2019, 11:50:53 PM »
Mark Harrison knew all about these dogs well before the McCann case.

31 DEC 2005

Her handler, Pc Martin Grime, has been responsible for training Keela, along with National Search Adviser Mark Harrison, since June last year.

Keela, a 16-month-old springer spaniel, can sniff out the smallest samples of human blood - even after items have been cleaned or washed many times.

A South Yorkshire force spokeswoman said Keela - officially a crime scene investigation dog - has saved more then 200,000 nationally since April this year, helping with investigations in Ireland, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Surrey and the Thames Valley.

 http://eddieandkeela.blogspot.com/2005/12/how-police-dog-earns-more-than-top.html

How did that joint training come about, given that Grime worked for SYP (living in Doncaster?) & Harrison worked for Bedford police & was often deployed abroad?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #508 on: March 28, 2019, 11:53:08 PM »
I am sorry for your loss but what is the point of tnis observation ?

If you read Cheeky Monkey's post you will understand.
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Offline Cheeky Monkey

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #509 on: March 28, 2019, 11:59:33 PM »
I am sorry for your loss and assume your sister's toy dog remained within the confines of your home rather than carried around a holiday resort by mum & siblings.
From Kate's diary http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/19-Sep8/NOTW-14-09-08.htm
THURSDAY, JULY 12: I hate the person who took my Madeleine'the same one who has caused all this trouble, who made us feel worthless and mistrustful and mainly who has frightened my beautiful Madeleine. I will never forgive that person/those people for this. Never.

Today I washed the Cuddle Cat (Madeleine's favourite soft toy and a constant comfort to heartbroken Kate). I was hoping not to have to do it until Madeleine returns, but it was now quite dirty and smelly, unfortunately without the smell of Madeleine on it. XX


Please then read the entry of Wed 18th July 2007.
I was only providing a personal example, I wasn't looking for sympathy but thanks all the same, it's not went unnoticed.
With all due respect, there is nothing in Kate's diary from any day, which I believe she wrote to be read anyway, that mitigates her washing her missing daughter's soft toy imo. It's going to take an alive Madeleine McCann to convince me otherwise on that one. It's because she washed it, and we don't know how many times, that proves beyond all reasonable doubt in my mind, the alert to the toy was an accurate one.
IMO innocent parents just do not wash their missing child's soft toys. If you think they do, then that's your opinion, definitely not mine. I find the whole idea simply not believable and there's not a thing I can do about that. Good old East End of Glasgow human intuition I suppose. It's never let me down yet.
Gerry McCann: "If you think about the millions and millions of British families who go to the Mediterranean each year, really the chances of this happening are in the order of 100 million to one."