If The GNR Search & Rescue Dogs Were Not Tracking MM Who Were They Tracking?

[alphonse]

I don´t believe an abductor took her out the front door. The dogs bolted out the front door-- -imho  Madeleine was dead when she left the flat. Similar to what SY said if you read between the lines....... Madeleine was taken out the same way the abuser/ killer came in. Through the patio doors

[The General]

I don´t believe an abductor took her out the front door. The dogs bolted out the front door-- -imho  Madeleine was dead when she left the flat. Similar to what SY said if you read between the lines....... Madeleine was taken out the same way the abuser/ killer came in. Through the patio doors

Abuser / killer killed Madeleine leaving only the merest trace of the crime? I'm sorry, but Scotland Yard is an ass.

[Robittybob1]

Thanks.  So here's the relevant section:

----- That, between Monday and Wednesday, not knowing the precise date, when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches, MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins. That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]. Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception.

It seems the children took the same the route the dogs scented other than when the dogs arrived on Rua Dr Francisco Gential Martins they veered to the opposite side of the road and scented into the car park wheras MM and twins kept to the 5A side of the road and entered into OC/creche.  For this reason I do not believe the dogs were scenting and tracking the movements of MM on Mon - Wed.

It has always worried me, if this was really true.  How did the three kids get out of the house unsupervised.  Did Madeleine open the front door on her own?   OK no it sounds as if the parents were  with them to open the door. "when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches,"

She runs ahead playing with the twins, so were the twins already ahead or did all three run ahead?  " MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins."

Do they get into someone's garden?  OK it seems she was able to open one of the garden gates.  "That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]"   Surely the parents have caught up but no, they seem to come out of there and run down the alley way to the road.  "Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception."

Somehow I don't buy it.  Did it really happen?




" That, between Monday and Wednesday, not knowing the precise date, when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches, MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins. That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]. Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception.

[barrier]

Abuser / killer killed Madeleine leaving only the merest trace of the crime? I'm sorry, but Scotland Yard is an ass.

They don't come up smelling of roses after the trial of "Nick" Carl Beech either.

[G-Unit]

Thanks.  So here's the relevant section:

----- That, between Monday and Wednesday, not knowing the precise date, when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches, MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins. That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]. Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception.

It seems the children took the same the route the dogs scented other than when the dogs arrived on Rua Dr Francisco Gential Martins they veered to the opposite side of the road and scented into the car park wheras MM and twins kept to the 5A side of the road and entered into OC/creche.  For this reason I do not believe the dogs were scenting and tracking the movements of MM on Mon - Wed.

The group believed that Jane Tanner had seen the 'abductor' but the dogs seemed to be saying that a different route was taken. It's almost as if Gerry was offering an explanation for the dog's behaviour.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The group believed that Jane Tanner had seen the 'abductor' but the dogs seemed to be saying that a different route was taken. It's almost as if Gerry was offering an explanation for the dog's behaviour.

Might the police have asked him if Madeleine had ever taken that route on foot?

[Holly Goodhead]

It has always worried me, if this was really true.  How did the three kids get out of the house unsupervised.  Did Madeleine open the front door on her own?   OK no it sounds as if the parents were  with them to open the door. "when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches,"

She runs ahead playing with the twins, so were the twins already ahead or did all three run ahead?  " MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins."

Do they get into someone's garden?  OK it seems she was able to open one of the garden gates.  "That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]"   Surely the parents have caught up but no, they seem to come out of there and run down the alley way to the road.  "Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception."

Somehow I don't buy it.  Did it really happen?




" That, between Monday and Wednesday, not knowing the precise date, when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches, MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins. That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]. Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception.

I agree it does seem somewhat odd that the parents would allow children that young to just run off especially near cars: car park and road.

[Holly Goodhead]

The group believed that Jane Tanner had seen the 'abductor' but the dogs seemed to be saying that a different route was taken. It's almost as if Gerry was offering an explanation for the dog's behaviour.

I think they became fixated from the off with 'Tannerman'.  KM states in her book (second edition) that she believes 'Tannerman' is MM's abductor. 

I believe at one time Amaral thought JT made up the sighting on the basis the dogs went a different route?

[Holly Goodhead]

I don´t believe an abductor took her out the front door. The dogs bolted out the front door-- -imho  Madeleine was dead when she left the flat. Similar to what SY said if you read between the lines....... Madeleine was taken out the same way the abuser/ killer came in. Through the patio doors

What evidence do you have that MM was dead when she left the apartment?

Where have SY alluded to the above?

Why would the abuser/killer take the risk of carrying out a dead MM via the patio doors?   Why not just leave 5A empty handed?

[Holly Goodhead]

They don't come up smelling of roses after the trial of "Nick" Carl Beech either.

The MET has a long history of corruption, incompetence and wrongdoing.  If I had my way I would offload a lot of them and bring in a diverse mix of people from various industries.  Its simply not necessary to be 'police trained' to solve problems such as the disappearance of MM.  The sorts of skills required can be honed in other industries where individuals are encouraged to use their own initiative, think outside the box and not straitjacketed by working in some extremely bureaucratic and hierarchical organisation.

[alphonse]

What evidence do I have? The dogs were given her scent. They ignored the patio doors. bolted  straight out the front. I believe the perp did not have a key, therefore Madeleine left the flat dead.  Ok, perp may have a key but don´t you find it strange that he would have  a key for the one flat that week in Luz for which one was not needed?
  SY said something like..........no matter HOW she left that flat. Madeleine was taken out the patio doors and dropped down on to the flower bed

[alphonse]

Just to make it crystal clear- I believe her parents had nothing to do with the crime.

[G-Unit]

Might the police have asked him if Madeleine had ever taken that route on foot?

Or they pointed out that the dogs hadn't indicated the route taken by the man seen by Jane. I know they raised the point with her;

JT was confronted by information that the police technical team could find no indication that Madeleine had passed the junction where she indicated that a man had been carrying a girl in his arms.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm

[alphonse]

I always felt it very unlikely that Tannerman could be the abductor for all the reasons gone over a million times

[Holly Goodhead]

What evidence do I have? The dogs were given her scent. They ignored the patio doors. bolted  straight out the front. I believe the perp did not have a key, therefore Madeleine left the flat dead.  Ok, perp may have a key but don´t you find it strange that he would have  a key for the one flat that week in Luz for which one was not needed?
  SY said something like..........no matter HOW she left that flat. Madeleine was taken out the patio doors and dropped down on to the flower bed

But the McCanns left the patio doors unlocked so its possible the perp entered the patio doors, scooped up MM and straight out the front door?  The perp didn't need a key?

My interpretation of SY's comment is that however MM left 5A ie woke and wandered and then abducted from outside or abducted from inside she was abducted.