The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[Rachel Granada]

I'm afraid there are no independent witnesses that are able to place Gerry in the tapas bar at the time of the sighting so whether Gerry was there is open to debate.

As to the reason why Tanner would lie we will not know that until the full details of that night are revealed. There was talk though that she and O'Brien wished to change their statements at one point, a wish they were quickly talked out of at the Rothley meeting no doubt.

I just cannot get my head around people, some of whom didn't really know the McCanns that well, all agreeing to take part in the cover-up of a child's death.  Why? Why expose yourself to possible criminal charges for perverting the course of justice?

I don't think we have a reliable source for Jane Tanner and Rusell O'Brien wanting to change their statements?

[sadie]

I'm afraid there are no independent witnesses that are able to place Gerry in the tapas bar at the time of the sighting so whether Gerry was there is open to debate.

As to the reason why Tanner would lie we will not know that until the full details of that night are revealed. There was talk though that she and O'Brien wished to change their statements at one point, a wish they were quickly talked out of at the Rothley meeting no doubt.

Oh, really!   Where did you find that Faith?

[John]

I'm afraid there are no independent witnesses that are able to place Gerry in the tapas bar at the time of the sighting so whether Gerry was there is open to debate.

As to the reason why Tanner would lie we will not know that until the full details of that night are revealed. There was talk though that she and O'Brien wished to change their statements at one point, a wish they were quickly talked out of at the Rothley meeting no doubt.

So wrong Faith.   The evidence of the staff taken at its highest reveals a situation whereby only one male diner was absent from the table for any length of time and had his meal held back for him.  Gerry and Matthew both ordered and ate their meals at the table.

[faithlilly]

So wrong Faith.   The evidence of the staff taken at its highest reveals a situation whereby only one male diner was absent from the table for any length of time and had his meal held back for him.  Gerry and Matthew both ordered and ate their meals at the table.

Only one diner asked to have his meal reheated, and re-reading the statements of the waiters it is not absolutely clear who, whether the rest of the group ate theirs we simply do not know. None of the waiters categorically place Gerry at the tapas bar at the time of the Smith sighting. In fact Svetlana says this :


'SVETLANA
-------  STARIKOVA VITORINO (Russian citizen, with the telephone No "96635 ####) - kitchen assistant:
- Said that, yesterday, one individual, purportedly the father of the missing, left the dinner table where a group of friends (in number 8 or 9), for about 30 minutes. After having returned, a woman whom she believed to be his wife, also left the table, there having passed a few moments, all the guests left the table in question, except one elderly lady, who told her [Svetlana's] colleagues that that child had disappeared.
- During the time that she was working yesterday (between 14:30 and 23:00) she did not see any individual with blonde "rastas".'

[DCI]

Only one diner asked to have his meal reheated, and re-reading the statements of the waiters it is not absolutely clear who, whether the rest of the group ate theirs we simply do not know. None of the waiters categorically place Gerry at the tapas bar at the time of the Smith sighting. In fact Svetlana says this :


'SVETLANA
-------  STARIKOVA VITORINO (Russian citizen, with the telephone No "96635 ####) - kitchen assistant:
- Said that, yesterday, one individual, purportedly the father of the missing, left the dinner table where a group of friends (in number 8 or 9), for about 30 minutes. After having returned, a woman whom she believed to be his wife, also left the table, there having passed a few moments, all the guests left the table in question, except one elderly lady, who told her [Svetlana's] colleagues that that child had disappeared.
- During the time that she was working yesterday (between 14:30 and 23:00) she did not see any individual with blonde "rastas".'

Then her next statement changes  8-)(--)

The group's children did not dine with them. She remembers that on the day the child disappeared there was some confusion, with some people who left the table after ordering, one of the meals even being sent back, as someone had asked them to delay the meal for a little while.

She doe not know very well for what reason the adults rose from the table, she thinks it concerns the girl's disappearance. She did see that one of the plates was returned almost intact and they were asked to "delay" its cooking for a while, it was a grilled beef steak ordered by a man, whom she cannot identify.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SVETLANA_VITORINO.htm

[sadie]

Only one diner asked to have his meal reheated, and re-reading the statements of the waiters it is not absolutely clear who, whether the rest of the group ate theirs we simply do not know. None of the waiters categorically place Gerry at the tapas bar at the time of the Smith sighting. In fact Svetlana says this :


'SVETLANA
-------  STARIKOVA VITORINO (Russian citizen, with the telephone No "96635 ####) - kitchen assistant:
- Said that, yesterday, one individual, purportedly the father of the missing, left the dinner table where a group of friends (in number 8 or 9), for about 30 minutes. After having returned, a woman whom she believed to be his wife, also left the table, there having passed a few moments, all the guests left the table in question, except one elderly lady, who told her [Svetlana's] colleagues that that child had disappeared.
- During the time that she was working yesterday (between 14:30 and 23:00) she did not see any individual with blonde "rastas".'

How interesting; another Russian.  That makes at least three doesn't it?  I am right, am I not, that Sergey Malinka (who wiped his computer etc) was Russian too.  As was his mother, a part time cleaner in block 5 Ocean club.   >@@(*&)

Am I remembering it correctly that there were also a couple who left the morning after and they were Russian too?

Probably no connrction at all but the PJ seemed intertested in Malinka for some reason/s



And, actually faith, the statement of STARIKOVA VITORINO is so vague and woolly ... that I am surprised that you even bothered to post it.  But she was just the kitchen assisatnt, wasn't she ... and the kitchen was indoors IIRC.  The Tapas 9 group were outside.

[faithlilly]

Then her next statement changes  8-)(--)

The group's children did not dine with them. She remembers that on the day the child disappeared there was some confusion, with some people who left the table after ordering, one of the meals even being sent back, as someone had asked them to delay the meal for a little while.

She doe not know very well for what reason the adults rose from the table, she thinks it concerns the girl's disappearance. She did see that one of the plates was returned almost intact and they were asked to "delay" its cooking for a while, it was a grilled beef steak ordered by a man, whom she cannot identify.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SVETLANA_VITORINO.htm

Did it change or was there simply more added to it ?

[Angelo222]

None of the waiters categorically place Gerry at the tapas bar at the time of the Smith sighting.

We have already covered this point in great detail so I don't understand why you wish to introduce a red herring at this point.

To remind you, the evidence of all the waiters taken together reveals a situation whereby only one of the diners was absent for any length of time and that was Jane Tanners partner Russell O'Brien.  He was away for so long looking after his sick daughter that his meal was held back.   Certainly the other two men, Gerry and Matthew were away from the table for a few minutes at time so let's stop this silliness now!!

[faithlilly]

@Benice

You said 'I have no idea what use JT would be to Gerry re the Smith sighting, as JT was in her own apartment at 10.00 o'clock - so how could she give Gerry an alibi if M. Smith came forward and identified him?'

If Tanner saw Gerry at the same time as the alleged abductor and if that sighting and the Smith one were considered to be the same person then it couldn't be Gerry, could it even if any of the Smiths identified him.

[faithlilly]

We have already covered this point in great detail so I don't understand why you wish to introduce a red herring at this point.

To remind you, the evidence of all the waiters taken together reveals a situation whereby only one of the diners was absent for any length of time and that was Jane Tanners partner Russell O'Brien.  He was away for so long looking after his sick daughter that his meal was held back.   Certainly the other two men, Gerry and Matthew were away from the table for a few minutes at time so let's stop this silliness now!!

Not a red herring, simple facts. No waiter puts Gerry in the tapas bar at the time of the Smith sighting. However if you have a statement from any waiter that does I'll be happy to change my position.

[Angelo222]

How interesting; another Russian.  That makes at least three doesn't it?  I am right, am I not, that Sergey Malinka (who wiped his computer etc) was Russian too.  As was his mother, a part time cleaner in block 5 Ocean club.   >@@(*&)

Am I remembering it correctly that there were also a couple who left the morning after and they were Russian too?

Probably no connrction at all but the PJ seemed intertested in Malinka for some reason/s



And, actually faith, the statement of STARIKOVA VITORINO is so vague and woolly ... that I am surprised that you even bothered to post it.  But she was just the kitchen assisatnt, wasn't she ... and the kitchen was indoors IIRC.  The Tapas 9 group were outside.

You might be onto something there with the Russian connection Sadie.  They are very active in Portugal and Spain in all types of criminal activities.  The prisons are full of them.

As far as Faithlillys post is concerned the words 'grasping at straws' and 'selective quoting' come to mind.

We have already proven this point Faithlilly so stop wasting my time!

[faithlilly]

You might be onto something there with the Russian connection Sadie.  They are very active in Portugal and Spain in all types of criminal activities.  The prisons are full of them.

As far as Faithlillys post is concerned the words 'grasping at straws' and 'selective quoting' come to mind.

We have already proven this point Faithlilly so stop wasting my time!

'We' have 'proven' nothing Angelo. We have speculated and from those speculative musings we have constructed theories, that is all.

[AnneGuedes]

Not a red herring, simple facts. No waiter puts Gerry in the tapas bar at the time of the Smith sighting. However if you have a statement from any waiter that does I'll be happy to change my position.

Nothing to do with the absences due to checking or staying with child.
The time elapsed between the first and the third Smiths' sighting was likely not even a minute.
Statements differ about the time of the alarm.

[sadie]

You might be onto something there with the Russian connection Sadie.  They are very active in Portugal and Spain in all types of criminal activities.  The prisons are full of them.

As far as Faithlillys post is concerned the words 'grasping at straws' and 'selective quoting' come to mind.

We have already proven this point Faithlilly so stop wasting my time!

Cheers Angelo    

[Angelo222]

'We' have 'proven' nothing Angelo. We have speculated and from those speculative musings we have constructed theories, that is all.

Maybe you haven't looked at the evidence which was provided by several members some time ago where it has been shown from the evidence that Gerry could not have been down the town at 10pm.  Do try and keep up Faithlilly!