White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4

[Nicholas]

Indeed,I don't pretend to know the ins and out,forensics etc,but from the little I know allows me to form the opinion the perpetrator is alive and serving his sentence.

This blog may be of interest,

JEREMY BAMBER and DERRICK BIRD courtesy of Gunfire Graffiti 29th Jan 2020

Excerpt:
‘How could this rampage in 2010 have anything in common with the Whitehouse Farm Murders in 1985? The beginning and end of each horror are joined with similarities. Both perpetrators had used .22 rifles and they shared an ability to prepare and operate them. Both killers had used the weapons for what they were legally procured and licensed for, shooting small game and vermin.

The sequence of events in Whitehouse Farm had seen the perpetrator murder 5 people but undoubtedly the most difficult and robust victim was 61 year old farmer, Neville Bamber who was initially shot in his own bed but had managed to get up and put up a fight. He was found slumped in his kitchen with 8 bullet wounds in his head, face and torso, further blunt force injuries to his head and face, defence wounds on his arm and his pyjamas tangled around his lower body. Derrick Bird’s first victim was his twin brother and farmer, David Bird. Derrick Bird had driven from his cottage in Rowrah to his brother’s property in Lamplugh, High Trees Farm, just 3 miles away. His brother lived alone. He had easily entered the property, local attitudes to security were apparently relaxed in these close communities. Regardless of this Derrick Bird knew the way into his brother’s house and knew where to find him. He shot his brother 11 times with the CZ .22 rifle. David Bird received wounds to his face, head and torso.When he was discovered there was signs of a struggle, David Bird was found semi dressed on the floor of his bedroom, his dog lying next to him. The fact that he had been shot 11 times would suggest that Derrick Bird had loaded the rifle with one round in the chamber as well as the 10 round magazine.
http://gunfire-graffiti.co.uk/jeremy-bamber-and-derrick-bird/

[Nicholas]

THE WHITE HOUSE FARM MURDERS – BAMBER or CAFFELL courtesy of Gunfire Graffiti (Updated 30th Jan 2020)

Excerpts;
‘This blog is covering what is at present a very topical subject. My comments are based on real experience. The central feature is the murder weapon, how it was prepared and how it was used. That cannot be avoided or skirted. I respect opinion supported by knowledge, but opinions based on thoughts and ignoring plain facts are time wasting, boring and tiresome.

The White House Farm murders have attracted a great deal of attention since they were perpetrated in August 1985. Continued interest in these brutal killings that took place in the peaceful surroundings of rural Essex has been ironically kept in the forefront by Jeremy Bamber who was convicted for the offences in October 1986. He has always maintained he is innocent. With the aid of a campaign team he diligently pursues and overlays supposedly undisclosed evidence. He and they insist that his sister Sheila Caffell committed the murders.

His support team consists of some very well respected, intelligent and articulate individuals who are working hard to secure further appeals that will, they hope, ultimately bring about his release.

This includes a new Patron, Michelle Diskin Bates, the sister of Barry George. It was George who was initially found guilty but later acquitted for the murder of Jill Dando in 1999.

This team consider Bamber’s incarceration to be major miscarriage of justice. They are impressed by his continued insistence that he is innocent even after 33 years in prison. His stance and dogged determination convinces them that he is a unique, innocent and wrongly imprisoned victim.

To get a broad view I would recommend that you look at the Jeremy Bamber campaign website and read the narratives that his supporters have posted. One particular post by Robin Cox, gives an interesting “opinion” based account of the murder weapon and how it was utilised. It is a fascinating insight into his supporters and the lengths they are prepared to go to support him. My initial contact with them was positive but once they realised the direction of my investigation and my conclusions it was no surprise that contact ceased. Michelle Diskin Bates has never replied to my letter to her. (http://gunfire-graffiti.co.uk/who-didnt-kill-jill-dando/)

http://gunfire-graffiti.co.uk/the-white-house-farm-murders-caffel-or-bamber/

[Holly Goodhead]

Sure about the significance of what they had in their hands. I would have celebrated such a coup with a whiskey or two.

I disagree, all hell would break loose if JM admitted perjury on the witness stand. It would be massive. Would Bambers team ignore that and keep harping on about blood/silencer evidence. I should think they would jump on it and vigorously renew their efforts

What was the significance of what they had in their hands?

It's not a question of what Bamber's team harp on about.  If JM admitted perjury how would this explain the blood/silener evidence?  In any event why would Bamber's team sit around waiting for something they have no influence over when something exists that can be influenced?

[Nicholas]

THE WHITE HOUSE FARM MURDERS – BAMBER or CAFFELL courtesy of Gunfire Graffiti (Updated 30th Jan 2020)

Excerpts;
‘This blog is covering what is at present a very topical subject. My comments are based on real experience. The central feature is the murder weapon, how it was prepared and how it was used. That cannot be avoided or skirted. I respect opinion supported by knowledge, but opinions based on thoughts and ignoring plain facts are time wasting, boring and tiresome.

The White House Farm murders have attracted a great deal of attention since they were perpetrated in August 1985. Continued interest in these brutal killings that took place in the peaceful surroundings of rural Essex has been ironically kept in the forefront by Jeremy Bamber who was convicted for the offences in October 1986. He has always maintained he is innocent. With the aid of a campaign team he diligently pursues and overlays supposedly undisclosed evidence. He and they insist that his sister Sheila Caffell committed the murders.

His support team consists of some very well respected, intelligent and articulate individuals who are working hard to secure further appeals that will, they hope, ultimately bring about his release.

This includes a new Patron, Michelle Diskin Bates, the sister of Barry George. It was George who was initially found guilty but later acquitted for the murder of Jill Dando in 1999.

This team consider Bamber’s incarceration to be major miscarriage of justice. They are impressed by his continued insistence that he is innocent even after 33 years in prison. His stance and dogged determination convinces them that he is a unique, innocent and wrongly imprisoned victim.

To get a broad view I would recommend that you look at the Jeremy Bamber campaign website and read the narratives that his supporters have posted. One particular post by Robin Cox, gives an interesting “opinion” based account of the murder weapon and how it was utilised. It is a fascinating insight into his supporters and the lengths they are prepared to go to support him. My initial contact with them was positive but once they realised the direction of my investigation and my conclusions it was no surprise that contact ceased. Michelle Diskin Bates has never replied to my letter to her. (http://gunfire-graffiti.co.uk/who-didnt-kill-jill-dando/)

http://gunfire-graffiti.co.uk/the-white-house-farm-murders-caffel-or-bamber/

Here’s an excerpt of Robin Coxs ‘opinion’

Sound Moderator & Silencer
The family were all shot at close range, within three feet. Sheila couldn’t have missed! Nevertheless, a silencer is what it says but they are illegal in this country because they silence gun fire to the human ear. A sound moderator (which is called mistakenly, a silencer) is usually used for shooting rabbits it doesn’t make much difference to the sound of the human ear and but rabbits hear the ‘sonic boom’ or something which frightens them and they run before the bullet gets to them. So suggesting that Jeremy used one to make a difference to the sound of the gun in the house is unrealistic. Jeremy left the gun without the moderator on it that night before he left the farm to go home after working. An Anshultz rifle is about as loud as a hand clap, anyhow so this is another reason why Sheila got round the house without too much disturbance.

Two shots to Sheila
The coroner of course thought there was no problem with there being two bullet wounds to Sheila. The first one went into her neck and broke apart in the tissue. She would have been able to stand up and walk about for a while, no question. The second shot went into her brain it killed her instantly. Why would Gresham’s educated Bamber think he was going pass it off as a suicide when she had two bullet wounds? If he had mucked it up as the prosecution stated, then why did he not sit and wait for her to die, or hope that she might? Why make up this convoluted story about the phone call?

Sheila was no match for Nevill
There was some kind of scuffle in the kitchen.  Sheila was slight about 9 stone I think and 5ft 10, but there was no reason why she couldn’t have handled the gun to bash Nevill in the head with the butt. He had been shot at least 4 times, if not 7 or 8 by the time these wounds were inflicted. A woman could easily have done this especially one in a psychotic episode.
http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/robin-cox

[steve_trousers]

What was the significance of what they had in their hands?

It's not a question of what Bamber's team harp on about.  If JM admitted perjury how would this explain the blood/silener evidence?  In any event why would Bamber's team sit around waiting for something they have no influence over when something exists that can be influenced?

They had to be sure that what they had discovered was indeed suspicious. Remember that blood was not visible on the outside of the barrel. They would look a little silly going to the police with any old bit of kit.

With respect, you are wasting your time with the blood/silencer evidence, if someone could have disproved that it would have been done by now. You won't even tell us what you have - shades of Mike Tesco there i'm afraid.

[steve_trousers]

Sheila was no match for Nevill
There was some kind of scuffle in the kitchen.  Sheila was slight about 9 stone I think and 5ft 10, but there was no reason why she couldn’t have handled the gun to bash Nevill in the head with the butt. He had been shot at least 4 times, if not 7 or 8 by the time these wounds were inflicted. A woman could easily have done this especially one in a psychotic episode.
http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/robin-cox

The darkly comic image of penthouse model Sheila duffing up farmer Nevill in the kitchen without so much as breaking a fingernail never fails to crack me up, sorry.
I don't mean to be sexist, just realist. that was never going to happen.

[Nicholas]

Bamber’s written on the top left of his letter here https://twnews.co.uk/gb-news/killer-jeremy-bamber-calls-cousin-morbid-for-still-living-at-white-house-farm

‘Written within the guidelines of PSO4470’

PSO4470 has been withdrawn

Interesting how he’s referred to Ann as his ‘Mums neice” and not his cousin

“Ann, my mum’s niece, lives in this rented property. Her motive is that she is protecting the crime scene in case I’m retried and new techniques could find evidence to be used at a retrial.

“She gave ITV permission to film inside this rented property. I just find it odd and morbid to want to live in a crime scene.”

“The programme is a drama, so they don’t need to stick to the truth at all. I won’t watch the drama ever, it’s simply too upsetting to see ITV misrepresent my mum and dad and me.

“My guess is that I won’t be in here for long, I now have a cast iron alibi, which the CPS are aware of and that can’t be swept under the carpet.”

[Nicholas]

Bamber’s written on the top left of his letter here https://twnews.co.uk/gb-news/killer-jeremy-bamber-calls-cousin-morbid-for-still-living-at-white-house-farm

‘Written within the guidelines of PSO4470’

PSO4470 has been withdrawn

Interesting how he’s referred to Ann as his ‘Mums neice” and not his cousin

“Ann, my mum’s niece, lives in this rented property. Her motive is that she is protecting the crime scene in case I’m retried and new techniques could find evidence to be used at a retrial.

“She gave ITV permission to film inside this rented property. I just find it odd and morbid to want to live in a crime scene.”

“The programme is a drama, so they don’t need to stick to the truth at all. I won’t watch the drama ever, it’s simply too upsetting to see ITV misrepresent my mum and dad and me.

“My guess is that I won’t be in here for long, I now have a cast iron alibi, which the CPS are aware of and that can’t be swept under the carpet.”

Bamber’s supporters should tell him he’s breaking prison guidelines by writing nonsense like this

I'm not aware of any restrictions on ingoing mail. 

Neither is Bamber nor whoever is supposed to be screening his mail by the looks of it 

[John]

Bamber’s written on the top left of his letter here https://twnews.co.uk/gb-news/killer-jeremy-bamber-calls-cousin-morbid-for-still-living-at-white-house-farm

‘Written within the guidelines of PSO4470’

PSO4470 has been withdrawn

Interesting how he’s referred to Ann as his ‘Mums neice” and not his cousin

“Ann, my mum’s niece, lives in this rented property. Her motive is that she is protecting the crime scene in case I’m retried and new techniques could find evidence to be used at a retrial.

“She gave ITV permission to film inside this rented property. I just find it odd and morbid to want to live in a crime scene.”

“The programme is a drama, so they don’t need to stick to the truth at all. I won’t watch the drama ever, it’s simply too upsetting to see ITV misrepresent my mum and dad and me.

“My guess is that I won’t be in here for long, I now have a cast iron alibi, which the CPS are aware of and that can’t be swept under the carpet.”

Home alone and a cast iron alibi eh?  It's taken him nearly 35 years to dream that one up?

Interesting how he claimed not to have watched the drama series but still knows all about it. He's definitely lost the plot imo.

[Holly Goodhead]

They had to be sure that what they had discovered was indeed suspicious. Remember that blood was not visible on the outside of the barrel. They would look a little silly going to the police with any old bit of kit.

With respect, you are wasting your time with the blood/silencer evidence, if someone could have disproved that it would have been done by now. You won't even tell us what you have - shades of Mike Tesco there i'm afraid.

If blood wasn't visible on the outside what was it they discovered?

Who do you think has been in a position to disprove the blood/silencer? What makes you so sure tests are unavailable?

[Holly Goodhead]

The darkly comic image of penthouse model Sheila duffing up farmer Nevill in the kitchen without so much as breaking a fingernail never fails to crack me up, sorry.
I don't mean to be sexist, just realist. that was never going to happen.

And yet Dr Vanezis didn't mention any of the above?  In fact he didn't find anything to contradict the murder/suicide theory?

[Nicholas]

And yet Dr Vanezis didn't mention any of the above?  In fact he didn't find anything to contradict the murder/suicide theory?

What did he say in court?

[John]

And yet Dr Vanezis didn't mention any of the above?  In fact he didn't find anything to contradict the murder/suicide theory?

Remember that the first time Vanezis saw Sheila she had blood all over her face after being transported in a body bag. When he saw Bird's crimescene photos of her he was shocked, only a trickle of blood dripping from her mouth. Between seeing the body in the morgue and viewing Bird's photos, was it possible he actually changed his mind but was influenced by certain senior police officers not to rock the boat?

If he continued to assert that Sheila shot herself after murdering everyone else including having one almighty barney with her adoptive father over the breakfast table then the jury found his opinion wanting and basically a load of crap.  And that goes for the DCI and Superintendent too who tried to go with the murder/suicide theory despite the evidence.

[steve_trousers]

If blood wasn't visible on the outside what was it they discovered?

Who do you think has been in a position to disprove the blood/silencer? What makes you so sure tests are unavailable?

Ok, I'm not a ballistics expert so one must be careful. From a common sense perspective - look at the legal representation he has had down the years, not fools but top legal professionals like for example Simon Mckay. Nobody could resolve the blood/silencer question.
Everyone knows it's problematic, and here we are 34 years later. Deja vu. His appeals couldn't get past the CCRC last time. It seems the powers that be have had enough. Look at the situation with surviving evidence. The silencer has been tested to destruction more or less, and the rest of the evidence was inexplicably disposed of in 1996. Barring a scientific breakthrough akin in it's enormity to the discovery of DNA, I really think you are wasting your time going after the silencer, until such a day arrives. And then it would only serve to shore up the conviction anyway in the face of the mountain of other evidence against him.

It goes back to why I sincerely think a JM recant is your best option, it would stir public interest more than yet another tired headline about blood spatter, blood groups etc.
And for those that believe Bamber is innocent, then you would consider her evidence as untrue anyway. A recant would be a lot more conclusive than once again another up-for-conjecture blood/silencer theory.

[John]

Ok, I'm not a ballistics expert so one must be careful. From a common sense perspective - look at the legal representation he has had down the years, not fools but top legal professionals like for example Simon Mckay. Nobody could resolve the blood/silencer question.
Everyone knows it's problematic, and here we are 34 years later. Deja vu. His appeals couldn't get past the CCRC last time. It seems the powers that be have had enough. Look at the situation with surviving evidence. The silencer has been tested to destruction more or less, and the rest of the evidence was inexplicably disposed of in 1996. Barring a scientific breakthrough akin in it's enormity to the discovery of DNA, I really think you are wasting your time going after the silencer, until such a day arrives. And then it would only serve to shore up the conviction anyway in the face of the mountain of other evidence against him.

It goes back to why I sincerely think a JM recant is your best option, it would stir public interest more than yet another tired headline about blood spatter, blood groups etc.
And for those that believe Bamber is innocent, then you would consider her evidence as untrue anyway. A recant would be a lot more conclusive than once again another up-for-conjecture blood/silencer theory.

I think one would be waiting a very long time if one were waiting on Julie to retract her evidence. IMO she had to tell the truth otherwise she too was headed for jail. I'll never understand though why Bamber did what he did to her and effectively turned her against him?  It is patently obvious that had he not turned Julie against him the case would have been closed as a murder/suicide regardless of Stan Jones concerns.