White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4

[Myster]

Why the emphasis on "the" gun.

Bamber has rehearsed the phony call scenario so many times that he has it of pat to correlate with his statement.

No mention either of his second call to a sleeping Julie in London at around 3 o'clock to ask her advice and seek reassurance... as if he needed any!

[Miss Taken Identity]

Only one person can be telling the truth.  I wonder who?...

https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/jeremy-bamber-fathers-alleged-phone-call

or...

https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/colin-caffell-audio-on-jeremy-bamber

Thank you Myster for this.  Yes, I am now convinced that there was no phone call.

His dad calls to say your sister has gone mad  she has THE gun  (the gun) strange terminology regarding recognising it was dads voice ?  why not say' my dad called me' Anyway, upon hearing this terrible news he hung up... then phoned back?????  WTF  why?  to ask if he wanted him to do something or call the police?

Rewind- deranged woman shooting people in house, there are children in there. call back to ask if they need anything. got the engaged tone? looked up local police number instead of 999.

JB=Guilty as hell!

[mrswah]

One of two people did this crime,I'll ask again why couldn't Bamber have done it,what is the reasoning behind his supposed innocence? Is there something not presented to the court which would allow the Jury to reach a different conclusion.

Of course he could have done it, and may well have done, but I'm not sure.

From what I have read (and mostly not on this forum), some people don't believe Julie was telling the truth, some are suspicious regarding the silencer having been found by relatives several days after the murders and after the police had searched the house, some people wonder whether Jeremy was "set up" by relatives who would benefit financially if he didn't inherit, and some do believe that Nevill rang the police and also rang Jeremy, saying that Sheila had "gone crazy" and had got hold of a gun. In addition, some believe that Sheila could physically have committed the murders, some also believe that she was still alive after the police and Jeremy had arrived at the farm.

I'm sure Holly will add more---she has gone into the forensics in great detail, which, I have to admit, I haven't done.

[Holly Goodhead]

There was no phone-call from NB - nor does evidence exist of one

The phone-call was/is a myth created by Bamber

‘Repeating lies makes people believe they are true https://bigthink.com/mind-brain/repeating-lies-people-believe-true-studies

The physical evidence at soc supports a phone call from JB.

What evidence exists showing a pho e call wasn't made?

[mrswah]

In addition, it is believed by some that there are outstanding documents that have been withheld.

[Nicholas]

Which begs the question why she didn't tell the police about his scheming beforehand or at the very least come clean on day 1.

JM was also concerned she wouldn’t be believed by the police - and given you’ve never been in her situation it’s unlikely you’ll know how tjat would have felt

[Holly Goodhead]

Wouldn't have stayed in the relationship.

I know, but she wouldn't have been the first woman to change her life for a man. Masters could have been put on hold.

This was the point I was trying to make. She must have been serious about her relationship with him -kidded herself he felt the same?- to have stayed in it given the circumstances.

But there's no evidence she changed her life for JB.  They met Dec 83 when she was part way thru her degree. She continued living in London with JB in Essex.  JB visited a couple of times during the week and JM visited JB at the w/e.  Come summer 1985 JM was starting her masters in London.

I think she was more than babies, marriage and men.  With or without JB she was going to make a success of her life and on the surface it seems she has: enduring marriage, children, director of education at some organisation in Canada, property with swimming pool. 

[Nicholas]

But there's no evidence she changed her life for JB

In reality Holly you didn’t know JM prior to, during or after her involvement with Bamber

You’ve never met her nor are you ever likely to meet her

Your sweeping statements seem pointless

[Holly Goodhead]

"The physical evidence at soc by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks all support NB downstairs on the phone to JB with SC upstairs opening fire on June.

So no silencer was used? did this not wake the twins?

 NB drops the phone, runs upstairs and sustains the two gunshot wounds to his face, he turns to return downstairs and is the shot twice in the rear.

Why go downstairs why not run into protect the twins (were they dead already- if so why not run upstairs on the first gun shot being fired.)

 NB returns to the kitchen followed by SC. "

To tell bamber his sister was killing everyone.


I do not believe there was a phone call at all, there doesn't seem to be a record of it from the land lines.
There also seems to be a strange reaction to this, what must have been distressing call, not to call 999 but to look up local police office?

The sound difference with and without a silencer is minimal.  Myster has in the past posted a video demonstrating both.  You will recall we also covered this on the Mccann case where I uploaded a YouTube vid showing a sleeping SM lifted off the EasyJet flight where GM was holding him, talking into microphone and aircraft engines were still turning and vehicles moving close-by but not a peep from SM.  This can be evidenced by the science of sleep stages 3 and 4 which are difficult to wake from.

It is clear SC first opened fire on June lying in her bed.  When NB heard the gunshots he left the call to JB and went to their bedroom as he arrived on the landing SC shot NB twice in the face.  NB then turned to retreat downstairs and was shot twice in the rear. 

I don't know why NB retreated downstairs.  Having sustained two gunshots wounds to his face which would have killed him had other shots not supervened he may have felt he had no option.  He may have intended to resume the phone call to JB, flee to raise the alarm or arm himself with the shotgun kept downstairs.

[Nicholas]

or arm himself with the shotgun kept downstairs.

to shoot his own daughter 

[Nicholas]

I don't know why NB retreated downstairs.

But you’ll make up all kinds of scenarios - so long as it doesn’t involve Bamber

[Holly Goodhead]

This turns her into a murderess?

You asked why she wouldn't have taken her own life next to the twins.  I pointed out she told her psychiatrist she feared them and thought they wanted to have sex with her.

[Nicholas]

It is clear SC first opened fire on June lying in her bed.

No it isn’t

[Miss Taken Identity]

Of course he could have done it, and may well have done, but I'm not sure.

From what I have read (and mostly not on this forum), some people don't believe Julie was telling the truth, some are suspicious regarding the silencer having been found by relatives several days after the murders and after the police had searched the house, some people wonder whether Jeremy was "set up" by relatives who would benefit financially if he didn't inherit, and some do believe that Nevill rang the police and also rang Jeremy, saying that Sheila had "gone crazy" and had got hold of a gun. In addition, some believe that Sheila could physically have committed the murders, some also believe that she was still alive after the police and Jeremy had arrived at the farm.

I'm sure Holly will add more---she has gone into the forensics in great detail, which, I have to admit, I haven't done.

"some are suspicious regarding the silencer having been found by relatives several days after the murders and after the police had searched the house,"


We can be sure this was not the best ever police input at the farm by the looks of it. So I believe that is a moot point.

"some also believe that she was still alive after the police and Jeremy had arrived at the farm."

If she was still alive after shooting herself twice I would love to see the physical evidence of this. IF they believe what JB said at the time  someone moved inside- implying Sheila was still alive then when did she die and why did they not hear gun shots -if there was no silencer.


I do not believe for one minute Colin would be connected to his children's murder to get hands on some Money. I also wonder about the family killing children for money- they were not living in penury.

[Nicholas]

You asked why she wouldn't have taken her own life next to the twins.  I pointed out she told her psychiatrist she feared them and thought they wanted to have sex with her.

Ffs Holly is this the best you can do - really 

This says more about you than any psychiatrist report