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Offline Nicholas

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #285 on: February 04, 2020, 12:58:47 PM »
I think you will find I'm the originator of the soc reconstruction.

Don’t think you’ll have a problem with anyone else claiming it was theirs
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #286 on: February 04, 2020, 02:36:52 PM »
Your posts on the forum  8((()*/

You mean I'm the only one who posts here believing JB innocent?   If so how can this be used to accurately gauge the level of support for JB against the population at large?

Despite the current TV series I doubt the population at large is interested in JB's case to the extent a) they hold strong views either way and b) if they did most are unlikely to want to spend much time on an Internet forum debating the case.

Afaik his CT and all those who tweet on his behalf are not active on forums.

The % of people with even a passing interest in JB is virtually non-existent.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #287 on: February 04, 2020, 02:52:40 PM »
You mean I'm the only one who posts here believing JB innocent? 

No, you asked for ‘data’

Do you have any data to back up your assertion?

I replied

Your posts on the forum  8((()*/

This was in response to

You’re in a tiny minority Holly

What difference would it make?

The ‘tiny minority’ I was referring to was you - the innocent/guilt argument being a side issue

I used ‘tiny minority’ instead of a minority of one
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #288 on: February 04, 2020, 02:52:58 PM »
It's arrogant because without any qualifications on the subject you're claiming big things.

The perp being on the landing doesn't support a call at all. All it proves is that prior to being the kitchen, Nevill was upstairs - nothing more.

Not sure what you mean by the last point?

No one needs any qualifications to connect the dots.  I'm using data produced by experts and others.  The data means something that's why it has been recorded eg trajectories of gunshot wounds, wound tracks and distance of shots.  The fact others are unable or unwilling to attempt to make sense of it doesn't make someone arrogant who can and has.

Most, guilters and supporters, refer to subjective aspects of the case many of which didn't even feature at trial.  I try to stick with objective aspects of the case. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #289 on: February 04, 2020, 02:55:44 PM »
Don’t think you’ll have a problem with anyone else claiming it was theirs

I've secured my intellectual property rights just to be on the safe side.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #290 on: February 04, 2020, 02:57:19 PM »
You mean I'm the only one who posts here believing JB innocent?   If so how can this be used to accurately gauge the level of support for JB against the population at large?

Despite the current TV series I doubt the population at large is interested in JB's case to the extent a) they hold strong views either way and b) if they did most are unlikely to want to spend much time on an Internet forum debating the case.

Afaik his CT and all those who tweet on his behalf are not active on forums.

The % of people with even a passing interest in JB is virtually non-existent.

I agree, most people I know either have a buage recollection of the murders or have never heard of him at all. Outside of the forum, I don't discuss it.

Offline Nicholas

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #291 on: February 04, 2020, 02:59:37 PM »
If so how can this be used to accurately gauge the level of support for JB against the population at large?

The facts speak for themselves
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Caroline

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #292 on: February 04, 2020, 03:00:33 PM »
No one needs any qualifications to connect the dots.  I'm using data produced by experts and others.  The data means something that's why it has been recorded eg trajectories of gunshot wounds, wound tracks and distance of shots.  The fact others are unable or unwilling to attempt to make sense of it doesn't make someone arrogant who can and has.

Most, guilters and supporters, refer to subjective aspects of the case many of which didn't even feature at trial.  I try to stick with objective aspects of the case.

No, you are interpreting the data in your way and your interpretations are just that 'yours'. The trajectories of gunshot wounds, wound tracks and distance of shots just mean that 'someone' fired the weapon. they don't reveal who.


Offline Nicholas

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #293 on: February 04, 2020, 03:00:47 PM »
I've secured my intellectual property rights just to be on the safe side.

Oh okay  @)(++(*
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline steve_trousers

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #294 on: February 04, 2020, 03:27:35 PM »
With respect Steve I haven't seen you post anything that's remotely scientific or capable of being measured objectively.

The soc contained a mountain of hard data none of which has been measured but thankfully is still available for objective analysis.

In terms of the blood/silencer again hard data can be reproduced by simply looking at the physics, fluid mechanics and biology to determine:

- whether the blood flake could withstand the environments and still produce the blood group results claimed.

- whether the physics/fluid mechanics of rifle/silencer/cartridges combi were capable of producing the drawback phenomenon as the prosecution claimed.

I'm not a scientist, and nor do I need to be. It's enough to look at the facts which you conveniently ignore every time because they don't fit in with your long term goal of freeing Bamber regardless of guilt/innocence. Your scientific explanations are a transparent attempt to run away from these facts.
I explained this to you the other day, that your flogging a dead horse with this scientific soc analysis. Any findings will be pure conjecture the prosecution will simply call to the stand another (actual) scientist with different conclusions.

Of course had Bamber not insisted on burning the carpets we would likely understand perfectly what happened in what location in what order that night

Offline John

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #295 on: February 04, 2020, 03:34:37 PM »
You mean I'm the only one who posts here believing JB innocent?

Do you still believe that Holly given everything we now know about what occurred that night?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #296 on: February 04, 2020, 03:59:14 PM »
No, you are interpreting the data in your way and your interpretations are just that 'yours'. The trajectories of gunshot wounds, wound tracks and distance of shots just mean that 'someone' fired the weapon. they don't reveal who.

Well let's just say I can't see the defence calling me as an expert witness at JB's 3rd appeal but I can see experts reconstructing the soc along the lines I have.

I've never said a soc reconstruction will show who fired the weapon but what it will do is show where victims were when they sustained gunshot wounds and where the perp was when he/she fired the weapon.

At JB's trial the court was told none of the 3 adult victims sustained gsw's outside the bedroom.  This is wrong.  NB did not sustain any gsw's in the bedroom and Afaik this has always been your position?

At the 2002 appeal MT QC argued that DCI Ainsley used the kitchen phone to dial out and in doing so inadvertently removed blood from the phone.  This is clearly nonsense but more importantly shows JB's own lawyers were not up to speed with the soc.  If this is the extent of your legal representation then what hope for the defendent?

It was important for the whole court at trial to understand who was shot where and the position of perp when the weapon was fired.  As it was the court was left asking the obvious questions: how could NB have called JB when the pathologist said he was incapable of purposeful speech after the gunshot wounds sustained upstairs and given the pathologist said these wounds produced heavy blood loss internally and externally then where were the blood stains on the phone?   Had a reconstruction been carried out as the vid I posted earlier re farmer Tony Martin it would show NB's facial wounds were inflicted as he stood on the landing stairs with the perp stood inside the bedroom firing out onto the landing and this puts a whole different complexion on the claimed phone call.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #297 on: February 04, 2020, 04:10:44 PM »
I'm not a scientist, and nor do I need to be. It's enough to look at the facts which you conveniently ignore every time because they don't fit in with your long term goal of freeing Bamber regardless of guilt/innocence. Your scientific explanations are a transparent attempt to run away from these facts.
I explained this to you the other day, that your flogging a dead horse with this scientific soc analysis. Any findings will be pure conjecture the prosecution will simply call to the stand another (actual) scientist with different conclusions.

Of course had Bamber not insisted on burning the carpets we would likely understand perfectly what happened in what location in what order that night

What facts would these be Steve?  As far as I'm concerned the only facts relate to the physical evidence at soc: blood stains, casings, distance od shots, trajectories, wound tracks, pathological evidence, ballistics evidence.

What carpets did JB insist on burning?  Soc officer DC Hammersly confirmed at trial everything of evidential value was recovered from WHF.  Blood stains on NB/June's bedroom carpet were collected and analysed along with two small stains on the landing carpet.  Blood stains on the stairs appear not to have been captured and analysed.  According to AE the police cleaned the stairs carpet but if these stains did not originate from NB then who did they originate from and under what circumstances.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #298 on: February 04, 2020, 04:15:37 PM »
Do you still believe that Holly given everything we now know about what occurred that night?

Yes there's not a scintilla of doubt in my mind that JB is innocent.  Much of what is posted here is subjective eg JM's testimony or views on JB's character.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline steve_trousers

Re: White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4
« Reply #299 on: February 04, 2020, 04:56:13 PM »
What facts would these be Steve?  As far as I'm concerned the only facts relate to the physical evidence at soc: blood stains, casings, distance od shots, trajectories, wound tracks, pathological evidence, ballistics evidence.

What carpets did JB insist on burning?  Soc officer DC Hammersly confirmed at trial everything of evidential value was recovered from WHF.  Blood stains on NB/June's bedroom carpet were collected and analysed along with two small stains on the landing carpet.  Blood stains on the stairs appear not to have been captured and analysed.  According to AE the police cleaned the stairs carpet but if these stains did not originate from NB then who did they originate from and under what circumstances.

Any new theory in relation to the physical evidence is up for conjecture and can be interpreted in different ways. You won't get past the CCRC. You conveniently ignore the veritable mountain of other facts which shore up the safety of his conviction. All of which have been discussed previously not only on this forum but this very thread.

Bamber insisted on burning the carpets, once the police told him they had all of evidential value for the trial. Personally if I was innocent and possessed a farm the size of a small country I would have retained them somewhere, particularly in light of the bungled police investigation.