Order of killings

[Holly Goodhead]

See post #5. Shell casings and pathological evidence. When the rifle is discharged the bullet exits via the barrel and the spent casing, which contained the propellant, is automatically ejected from a port located on the right hand side. 

The twins were shot in their beds and it is thought they were asleep.

June and SC sustained all gunshot wounds in the main bedroom evidenced by blood stains to carpet and lack of on the landing, along with the casings.

NB sustained 4 gunshot wounds to the head any of which would have immobilised him so given he was found downstairs in the kitchen it has been accepted he sustained these gsw's in the kitchen where he was found.  3 casings were found in the kitchen which was untidy and cluttered so the missing casing might well have been overlooked.  Also police officers tidied up and did not take any sweeping from the floor. Casings are about 0.5cm dia and 1cm length.

A casing was found on the landing which some have suggested was transferred there inadvertently under an officer's boot.

The casing layout diagram.

[Holly Goodhead]

Personal? What are you talking about?? What bit is personal? I know you don’t think he is responsible hence why I am not really interested in on your views on my post. I won’t ask you a third time but please let this post for pro guilty people to comment on as that is who I directed MY post at. Thank you 👍🏻

Please calm down otherwise I think your visit here will be short-lived.

Members are free to contribute as and when they see fit regardless of who they believe was responsible.

[Inspector Gadget]

The casing layout diagram.

Interesting. That would explain the shots Jeremy made to Nb on his left side while standing above him in doorway. Still not sure if he murdered the children first or last though.

[Inspector Gadget]

Please calm down otherwise I think your visit here will be short-lived.

Members are free to contribute as and when they see fit regardless of who they believe was responsible.

I am extremely calm. You are the one who is claiming I am getting personal and now threatening to boot me out?


Please stick to topic... which is clear in my original post 👍🏻

[Holly Goodhead]

I am extremely calm. You are the one who is claiming I am getting personal and now threatening to boot me out?

Please stick to topic... which is clear in my original post 👍🏻

As a moderator I determine what is and isn't on-topic.

[Holly Goodhead]

Interesting. That would explain the shots Jeremy made to Nb on his left side while standing above him in doorway. Still not sure if he murdered the children first or last though.

If JB was stood above NB in the doorway then you have NB on the landing?

[Inspector Gadget]

If JB was stood above NB in the doorway then you have NB on the landing?

No I have him on the bed with his left side facing JB who was shooting from the doorway.

[Holly Goodhead]

No I have him on the bed with his left side facing JB who was shooting from the doorway.

How do you account for

-  none of NB's blood found in the bedroom
-  distance of facial shots at a few inches
-  trajectories of facial shots 10 - 20 degrees below the horizontal
-  the gunshot wounds to NB's shoulder and elbow were to the rear of his body; when did NB turn?
-  the track of the wound to NB's shoulder was fired from above.

[steve_trousers]

I recall there was some suggestion from their Injuries that the parents were initially shot sitting up (June) or in the act of getting out of bed (Nevill), implying that he was at least partially ready for an intruder.

It's why some believe the children were shot first and Nevill heard the report from the silencer. By the time Jeremy ran across the landing to the parents bedroom for step 2, June and Nevill were awake.

I stand to be corrected on this, I had a look for the old thread on here but it must be buried somewhere under a misleading title.

 

[Inspector Gadget]

There was lots of blood in bedroom that wasn’t tested right? Didn’t they say that 5 areas of blood was found but not all tested due to the incorrect assumption of murders suicide ? That could have been NB but will never know. Certainly can’t rule out. Are you trying to say he wasn’t shot at all in bedroom?!

If he was sitting on edge of bed then JB would still be tall enough to fire downwards and to his left.

Either way I think Jeremy struck June first and then he either sat up in shock and got shot a couple of times on his left side or he tried to jump at JB and got struck on the way to him, then found himself in doorway and tried to go downstairs where he was shot again. Unsure if on stairs or bottom of stairs but guess that’s what I’m trying to find out.

We know 4 shots were fired upstairs and 4 in kitchen. The latter were all fatal shots after he was beaten unconsciou imo..

[Inspector Gadget]

Still getting used to this. Apols for missing of quite of person in reply to but it was holly.

[Holly Goodhead]

There was lots of blood in bedroom that wasn’t tested right? Didn’t they say that 5 areas of blood was found but not all tested due to the incorrect assumption of murders suicide ? That could have been NB but will never know. Certainly can’t rule out. Are you trying to say he wasn’t shot at all in bedroom?!

Two samples of carpet were removed with 5 areas tested.  If all concerned thought it a slam dunk why go the trouble?  The drip stains from June's side of the bed to NB's side and back to the door show the blood originated from June coupled with the fact there was no blood leading out of the bedroom onto the landing.

I don't believe NB was shot in the bedroom.

If he was sitting on edge of bed then JB would still be tall enough to fire downwards and to his left.

No as this wouldn't fit with the wound tracks, trajectories, casings, lack of blood or distance of shots.

Either way I think Jeremy struck June first and then he either sat up in shock and got shot a couple of times on his left side or he tried to jump at JB and got struck on the way to him, then found himself in doorway and tried to go downstairs where he was shot again. Unsure if on stairs or bottom of stairs but guess that’s what I’m trying to find out.

As I said none of the physical evidence supports NB sustaining any gsw's in the bedroom. 

We know 4 shots were fired upstairs and 4 in kitchen. The latter were all fatal shots after he was beaten unconsciou imo..

A, soc reconstruction should have been carried out with the judge and jury taken to WHF to see for themselves.  This will be carried out as part of a third appeal.

[Caroline]

Two samples of carpet were removed with 5 areas tested.  If all concerned thought it a slam dunk why go the trouble?  The drip stains from June's side of the bed to NB's side and back to the door show the blood originated from June coupled with the fact there was no blood leading out of the bedroom onto the landing.

I don't believe NB was shot in the bedroom.
 

No as this wouldn't fit with the wound tracks, trajectories, casings, lack of blood or distance of shots.
 

As I said none of the physical evidence supports NB sustaining any gsw's in the bedroom. 

A, soc reconstruction should have been carried out with the judge and jury taken to WHF to see for themselves.  This will be carried out as part of a third appeal.

That's not really for you to say.

[Inspector Gadget]

But again, was ALL of the blood tested in the room? I read that there were several patches that were not tested therefore we can’t rule out NB blood wasn’t in room.

He could have lunged at JB hence led crouched or turning which could also give the desired trajectory body positions when lunging could be in any direction.

I am sure they cannot appeal on that basis. If they do it will be laughed at again. There’s no way you can overturn a murder verdict on what you have written. Too much ambiguity. Hence this discussion for us to work out how he killed them all. Unless they can overturn his phonecall lie (they can’t) AND the silencer evidence (they can’t) then I don’t see how he gets off.

35 years and counting. He will die there and hopefully has the guts to confess before he dies.

[Nicholas]

This will be carried out as part of a third appeal.

Bamber knows he won’t be getting anymore opportunities Holly