The phone call

[G-Unit]

This was some time before the murders, in months reseeding, they were seen to argue.

I would think that's quite common in family businesses where the younger person wants to contribute new ideas and the older one wants to stick with his tried and tested ways.

[Holly Goodhead]

This was some time before the murders, in months reseeding, they were seen to argue.

Who saw them arguing and what about?

[adam]

No one has claimed NB invited JB over.

"Sheila's gone crazy she's got the gun"

Nevill said 'please come over'. According to Jeremy.

[adam]

Believe the prosecution are saying Nevill called Jeremy after being shot upstairs. Did the defence agree with this?

Most scenarios from supporters have Nevill phoning before being shot.

Suggestions that Nevill was watching television, having a shower, or sleeping when Sheila saw the rifle and magazine next to it.

[Holly Goodhead]

Nevill said 'please come over'. According to Jeremy.

Not according to his initial testimony. L

[Holly Goodhead]

Believe the prosecution are saying Nevill called Jeremy after being shot upstairs. Did the defence agree with this?

Most scenarios from supporters have Nevill phoning before being shot.

Suggestions that Nevill was watching television, having a shower, or sleeping when Sheila saw the rifle and magazine next to it.

Ed Lawson QC for the defence asked Malcolm Fletcher if anyone had been shot outside the bedroom and he replied no.  The defence did not challenge this in any way or even ask how he arrived at this conclusion.

[adam]

Not according to his initial testimony. L

Nevill just said 'Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun'.

That is even stranger.

[adam]

This from Wkipedia -

'The prosecution case included that there was no evidence that Bamber's father had telephoned him.

They argued that the father was too badly injured to have spoken to anyone; that there was no blood on the kitchen phone; and that he would have called the police, not Bamber.'

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Both prosecution and defence would agree Nevill would not call anyone after being shot 4 times. Twice in the face.

I assume the defence put forward the possibility that Nevill phoned before any shots had been fired.

[Holly Goodhead]

Nevill just said 'Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun'.

That is even stranger.

If SC was going "crazy" and had the gun what else would you expect him to say?

We know SC went "crazy" evidenced by her psychiatric history. We know guns were left hanging around the farmhouse. 

[Holly Goodhead]

This from Wkipedia -

'The prosecution case included that there was no evidence that Bamber's father had telephoned him.

They argued that the father was too badly injured to have spoken to anyone; that there was no blood on the kitchen phone; and that he would have called the police, not Bamber.'

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Both prosecution and defence would agree Nevill would not call anyone after being shot 4 times. Twice in the face.

I assume the defence put forward the possibility that Nevill phoned before any shots had been fired.

I don't believe the defence argued the call was made before any shots were fired on the basis it seems to have accepted NB sustained all his upstairs gsw's in his bedroom.

[adam]

The COA confirms the prosecution went on the basis that Nevill would only call after being shot 4 times -


vii) The appellant's account of the telephone call from his father could be proved to be false for the following reasons:

a) His father was too badly injured to have spoken to anybody;

b) The telephone in the kitchen was not obviously blood stained;

c) As a matter of common sense, Nevill Bamber would have called the police before the appellant;

d) Had the appellant really received such a call, he would have immediately made a 999 call, alerted the farm workers who lived close to the farmhouse and then driven at speed to his parents home; and

e) Instead he had spoken to Julie Mugford before calling the police. When he subsequently contacted the Police, it was not by way of the emergency system.

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There is nothing about the defence suggesting Nevill could have called before shots were fired.

Probably because of what Nevill is supposed to have said. Together with the likelihood Nevill would have disarmed Sheila instead.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

You were right the first time - he didn't and no one else could have. Who would said 'other person' be? How come they didn't wait for him to turn up? How could they be sure Bamber wouldn't have called the police and said person would be trapped in the FH. Also, they would risk Bamber realising it wasn't his dad.

And Jeremy didn’t recognise his own father’s voice?

Stop trying to make ridiculous implications

And stop trying to imply it was someone else: it wasn’t

Jeremy received no phone call from the farm

[adam]

Guilters and supporters on both forums agree Nevill would not call Jeremy after being shot 4 times. No scenarios have this.

However the prosecution and defence at court are in agreement that Nevill would not call Jeremy prior to shots being fired.

[adam]

I don't believe the defence argued the call was made before any shots were fired on the basis it seems to have accepted NB sustained all his upstairs gsw's in his bedroom.

Supporters say Bamber picked up the phone at the same time Sheila started shooting June upstairs. Nevill heard the shots, abandoned the call and ran upstairs.

Upon arriving in the bedroom, Nevill got two close range face shots and two torso shots. He did not challenge Sheila and ran straight back downstairs.

The defence at court did not dream of anything so outlandish. They went along with the equally ridiculous notion that Nevill called Bamber after being shot 4 times.

[G-Unit]

Guilters and supporters on both forums agree Nevill would not call Jeremy after being shot 4 times. No scenarios have this.

However the prosecution and defence are in agreement that Nevill would not call Jeremy prior to shots being fired.

Do you know why they came to that conclusion?