The phone call

[Caroline]

And if she was uncoordinated who manicured and polished her nails when there's no evidence anyone carried out these tasks other than herself?

There's no evidence that someone else didn't do it. She had a friend who lived nearby - perhaps she did it. There is no evidence that Sheila did her own nails - which you already know.

[Holly Goodhead]

It had always been thus. She'd have known that whatever hole she was in, they were there to dig her out. Actually, less was required of her, than Jeremy. If any of her numerous failed careers/marriage had succeeded, that support may not have been necessary, unlike Jeremy, who had to work -at something he wasn't enamoured with- to earn what Sheila got for free.

And what exactly did SC get for free?  June purchased the flat SC lived in rent free.  According to Claire Powell's book SC claimed DSS benefits.  CC was in the main unemployed.  I've never read anything about SC eating out let alone weekends away or foreign holidays.  And none of the photos I've seen suggest she had any sort of wardrobe allowance.

I see the Bamber's as high net worth but old money hence June would take SC weekly food parcels no doubt a lot of which was grown on the farm and/or sourced locally.

[Holly Goodhead]

There's no evidence that someone else didn't do it. She had a friend who lived nearby - perhaps she did it. There is no evidence that Sheila did her own nails - which you already know.

If anyone did her nails I'm sure we would have heard about it.  After all we've heard about everything else. 

[Holly Goodhead]

So they bought her a flat? The devils!

Wanting to make extra money for herself isn't anything strange and she used what she had - lots of women do that, are they all suffering from 'emotional abuse'?

But she didn't want to undertake the porn modelling.  She did so because she was desparate for cash.

Emotional abuse?  Economic abuse.

[Caroline]

But she didn't want to undertake the porn modelling.  She did so because she was desparate for cash.

Emotional abuse?  Economic abuse.

Neither! Lets get this straight, if the Bambers gave their children cash, it's economic abuse, if they don't give them enough - it's economic abuse. This is just clap trap! Sheila clearly didn't ask for any extra money whereas Jeremy wasn't shy in coming forward in that respect. Most kids their age are independent and pay their own rent - they weren't tethered to Nevill and June, Jeremy could have gone and done his own thing - Sheila was more dependent not because of any kind of abuse, but because of her illness - however, pay paying for her flat, they allowed her some independence.

[G-Unit]

Neither! Lets get this straight, if the Bambers gave their children cash, it's economic abuse, if they don't give them enough - it's economic abuse. This is just clap trap! Sheila clearly didn't ask for any extra money whereas Jeremy wasn't shy in coming forward in that respect. Most kids their age are independent and pay their own rent - they weren't tethered to Nevill and June, Jeremy could have gone and done his own thing - Sheila was more dependent not because of any kind of abuse, but because of her illness - however, pay paying for her flat, they allowed her some independence.

You seem totally unaware of the complicated relationships which arise within families. Did you not know that some parents use money to coerce their children into doing what their parents want? Did you not know that children can be brain washed into believing that losing their inheritance would be so terrible that anything is better than that? Have you never heard of children whose parents haven't done their job, which is to raise confident, independant children who can cope with life without parental help? I suggest that you educate yourself.

[Caroline]

You seem totally unaware of the complicated relationships which arise within families. Did you not know that some parents use money to coerce their children into doing what their parents want? Did you not know that children can be brain washed into believing that losing their inheritance would be so terrible that anything is better than that? Have you never heard of children whose parents haven't done their job, which is to raise confident, independant children who can cope with life without parental help? I suggest that you educate yourself.

Are you for real? Are you actually making an excuse for Bamber murdering his family under the guise of being brain washed? I thought I had heard it all until NOW!

I suggest you GET REAL!

[G-Unit]

Are you for real? Are you actually making an excuse for Bamber murdering his family under the guise of being brain washed? I thought I had heard it all until NOW!

I suggest you GET REAL!

I didn't say anything of the sort, that's your interpretation not mine. Please don't assume you know what I'm saying.

[Caroline]

I didn't say anything of the sort, that's your interpretation not mine. Please don't assume you know what I'm saying.

Kind of makes it difficult to debate with someone who can't make themselves clear, perhaps you would like to clarify your statement in a previous post

"Did you not know that children can be brain washed into believing that losing their inheritance would be so terrible that anything is better than that?"

[ISpyWithMyEye]

There's no evidence that someone else didn't do it. She had a friend who lived nearby - perhaps she did it. There is no evidence that Sheila did her own nails - which you already know.

Sheila used to have her nails manicured in Maida Vale

[ISpyWithMyEye]

But she didn't want to undertake the porn modelling.  She did so because she was desparate for cash.

Emotional abuse?  Economic abuse.

You have no idea why Sheila had some photos taken of her nude and playing with a sex toy

There’s porn and there’s porn...she wasn’t having orgies. She was alone.

You don’t even know if they were private pictures!

Lots of people have intimate photos of themselves; stop ASSUMING

Whatever, they were Sheila’s PRIVATE photos and vile snooping Jeremy Bamber had NO right to rifle through her personal belongings like a filthy grasping VULTURE!

And after he’d shot her dead!!!

He’s absolutely EVIL and devoid of all DECENCY

It’s DISGUSTING that he studied his sister’s nude photos, then tried to SELL them to the Sun Newspaper!

He’s absolutely EVIL

Ban me if you want, you’ve threatened it before when you don’t like hearing the TRUTH

 

[G-Unit]

Kind of makes it difficult to debate with someone who can't make themselves clear, perhaps you would like to clarify your statement in a previous post

"Did you not know that children can be brain washed into believing that losing their inheritance would be so terrible that anything is better than that?"

I was subjected to it, along with being told that if I hadn't been adopted I would have been in care. Occasionally I was threatened with being put into care. Eventually I responded by deciding that I didn't want the money and I wished I had been put into care. Not everyone is as strong minded as me though.

My point is that what seems generous, caring and loving on the surface isn't always what's happening. Only those involved know the truth. Therefore what an observer thinks happened in the Bamber family may not be what actually happened.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It looks like some people on here are indulging their favourite pastime, ie: victim blaming.  Shame on you who do this, shame on you. 

[APRIL]

I was subjected to it, along with being told that if I hadn't been adopted I would have been in care. Occasionally I was threatened with being put into care. Eventually I responded by deciding that I didn't want the money and I wished I had been put into care. Not everyone is as strong minded as me though.

My point is that what seems generous, caring and loving on the surface isn't always what's happening. Only those involved know the truth. Therefore what an observer thinks happened in the Bamber family may not be what actually happened.

Other than making placating noises about it having been awful and sad, no one, not even fellow adoptees, can know what it FEELS like to be a victim of adoption gone wrong, when the victims, themselves, might not be aware of it. Unless one has experienced it, the feeling of total worthlessness, powerlessness, entrapment, and fear isn't easy to convey. Perhaps it will never be know how many have suffered. Whilst the mantra "You're lucky. If it hadn't been for us you'd have been in a home" is drummed into adopted children, they'll keep repeating it. However, as an optimist, I believe there to be more successful adoptions than those of the other kind.

[G-Unit]

Other than making placating noises about it having been awful and sad, no one, not even fellow adoptees, can know what it FEELS like to be a victim of adoption gone wrong, when the victims, themselves, might not be aware of it. Unless one has experienced it, the feeling of total worthlessness, powerlessness, entrapment, and fear isn't easy to convey. Perhaps it will never be know how many have suffered. Whilst the mantra "You're lucky. If it hadn't been for us you'd have been in a home" is drummed into adopted children, they'll keep repeating it. However, as an optimist, I believe there to be more successful adoptions than those of the other kind.

I agree, it probably is rare that they go terribly wrong. My point is that looking at what people did doesn't explain why they did it. On the face of it spending money on your children seems like a caring, loving, helpful act, but that might not be what it really was. Even those involved might not have realised if their actions were manipulative rather than helpful.

Anyway, back on topic. I can still see nothing which proves that Nevill Bamber didn't phone his son. The evidence offered in court certainly didn't prove it.