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Offline barrier

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2020, 01:58:53 PM »
Do you think, Holly, that all those reliable sources you’ve found amongst the mountain of evidence, is the reason why after 10 years or longer, you haven’t been able to find ONE solid piece of evidence that suggests Jeremy could be innocent?

I'm not entirely certain Holly believes in his innocence,its more that a miscarriage resulted with the strength of evidence  used to convict him,seen from  today's world,there's a difference.I'm sure or there again maybe not she'll correct me if wrong.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2020, 01:59:59 PM »
Did all these learned experts conclude that JB could not have committed the crime then?

No, all these leading experts concluded Jeremy murdered them all.


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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2020, 02:02:54 PM »
On the contrary actually.  He's a lawyer without so much as a parking ticket or speeding fine.

So you say...

If Pete is a solicitor he obviously doesn’t deal in criminal work, otherwise he’d have told you years ago you’re flogging a dead horse. Doesn’t he mind you spending all your time devoted to Jeremy Bamber and his case?
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2020, 02:04:19 PM »
Is that because he doesn’t drive ?
(&^&
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2020, 02:50:33 PM »
I'm not entirely certain Holly believes in his innocence,its more that a miscarriage resulted with the strength of evidence  used to convict him,seen from  today's world,there's a difference.I'm sure or there again maybe not she'll correct me if wrong.
Surely that’s even worse??!  To expend so much time and energy on trying to get a man released from prison whose innocence you’re not entirely convinced by, a man who murdered 5 people including 2 six year old children??
Not a handwriting expert.

Offline barrier

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2020, 04:44:54 PM »
Surely that’s even worse??!  To expend so much time and energy on trying to get a man released from prison whose innocence you’re not entirely convinced by, a man who murdered 5 people including 2 six year old children??

From another thread.

No they're not.  JB needs to produce some evidence that undermines his conviction to the extent that 3 appeal court judges will take the view that had jurors heard it they may have returned a different verdict.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2020, 04:50:39 PM »
From another thread.
Not sure what point you’re trying to make in response to my post.
Not a handwriting expert.

Offline barrier

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2020, 05:04:35 PM »
Not sure what point you’re trying to make in response to my post.

Showing what I believe Holly's stance to be,I of course may be wrong.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2020, 06:25:08 PM »
Showing what I believe Holly's stance to be,I of course may be wrong.
She believes him to be honest and decent and a poor, poor victim judging by all the posts I’ve read of hers.
Not a handwriting expert.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2020, 06:06:01 AM »
In the case you are talking about, it was the witness's word against that of Tony Martin, the witness provided evidence of where Martin was when he shot the victim - the reconstruction was on the basis of their claims. In the Bamber case, you would still be left with 'who was holding the gun' and that's the question your reconstruction couldn't answer.

It makes no difference whether there is a witness or not because not all witness testimony is reliable unlike the physical evidence.


Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2020, 06:48:34 AM »
Exactly - I can't see how the evidence could distinguish between Sheila and Jeremy being the perpetrator - anything Sheila could have done, could also have been done by Jeremy could it not?

The main purpose of a shooting reconstruction is to determine perp/victim location. 

In this case the prosecution alleged at trial that JB entered his parents bedroom under stealth and opened fire on NB and June in bed. The defence offered no alternative scenario.

The pathological evidence and casings show NB sustained 4 gsw's upstairs 2 of which were fired within inches of his face rendering him incapable of purposeful speech thereafter.  In which case how could he have made the call to JB?  And given NB's injuries to his face caused heavy loss of blood externally and internally why wasn't the handset/mouthpiece bloodstained?

What a reconstruction will do, based on all the physical evidence: blood stains to the floor and lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks, is show where in the farmhouse NB was positioned when he sustained the facial wounds and where the perp was positioned when he/she inflicted them.

To date there's no expert evidence available in this regard just the prosecution alleging what I've stated above.

I believe, based on the physical evidence, a professional reconstruction will show that when NB sustained the facial wounds he wasn't lying in bed but standing on the landing stairs which immediately precede the entrance to the bedroom.  And the perp was standing just inside the bedroom firing out onto the landing.  If I'm proved right then this puts a complete different complexion on this aspect of the case as it lends support to JB's claim of a tel call from NB in that it could be argued if NB was on the landing he had come up the main staircase from the kitchen having just called JB.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2020, 06:53:14 AM »
I'm not entirely certain Holly believes in his innocence,its more that a miscarriage resulted with the strength of evidence  used to convict him,seen from  today's world,there's a difference.I'm sure or there again maybe not she'll correct me if wrong.

Before I worked out the shooting reconstruction I wasn't entirely convinced but now I'm sure of his innocence. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2020, 06:58:58 AM »
He discussed burning down the Farm in 1984 with JM and one of his mates (when dragged in for questioning after JB's arrest) independently revealed that JB had talked about how much he would benefit from there being a fire at the Farm and all his relatives dying.  I think this is proof that JB had considered doing away with his family and the JM was being truthful when she revealed this to the police.

Do you think someone who is planning to murder his family goes around making such comments?   
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2020, 07:13:27 AM »
No expert is on record claiming JB committed the murders. The pathologist has always made clear he was unable to say one way or the other whether SC was murdered or took her own life.

The most damning evidence at trial came from the so-called ballistics expert Malcolm Fletcher who told the court his relevant experience included 13 years working in the firearms department and "a small amount of experience of having an air rifle as a small boy".  All the other experts referred to high level qualifications, experience and membership of professional bodies.

He might have been competent to provide reliable evidence to the court about routine ballistic matters but there was no way he was competent to provide the sort of evidence he did which ventured into the pathology of gunshot wounds and explaining how blood from a contact gunshot wound could deposit inside a silencer.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #59 on: April 19, 2020, 07:16:05 AM »
Is that because he doesn’t drive ?


You do make me laugh with your quick wit, Nicholas!🤣

I thought Holly was English — not American: so why use the term “lawyer” when we say “solicitor”?😂
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