Author Topic: Why were they all at the White House that night? Colin Caffell's alibi?  (Read 42208 times)

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Offline Robittybob1

Colin is named in the title of the thread so the assertion is that it could have been him. Yes, he has a solid alibi and he was never a suspect - and rightly so.

I wouldn't be excluding Jeremy

And no shooting at you from me!  8((()*/
Once again you make a claim without providing supporting evidence.  You say "Yes, he has a solid alibi" but don't tell us what that was.
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Offline Robittybob1

As Caroline suggested, Robbitybob, it’s best you read up on the case first.

You’ll have some knowledge on it then and won’t need to ask questions on things that were established 35 years ago, such as: was Colin involved?

No. He definitely was not. It’s been substantiated 100% — and he was never a suspect. It’s akin to asking if the Pope was involved...Colin was in London when Jeremy killed his sons and family; he was with his girlfriend at home; he had no motive to kill his own sons, Sheila, or June and Nevill, and he wasn’t/is a psychopath. Nor was he greedy for money.

Quite frankly, the suggestion is bizarre...but you don’t know about the case


Try to read up on it, you’ll learn all the background then 😊
I've listened to Colin talking and he seems a reasonable guy.  All I wanted to know was whether he had an alibi for the night in question.  Simply being in London doesn't seem to be enough for there was still sufficient time to drive the round trip in the hours available.  But if it happened he was able to confirm he was in London that would be a different matter.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Once again you make a claim without providing supporting evidence.  You say "Yes, he has a solid alibi" but don't tell us what that was.

Sorry to jump in....

Robbitybob, when you say Caroline “hasn’t told US” who do you mean by “us”? You and Brancher?

Absolutely everyone knows Colin wasn’t a suspect and wasn’t in any way involved.  Besides having a cast iron alibi he had no motive. Neither was in Essex when Jeremy murdered them.

It’s a ludicrous suggestion. You’ve clearly read next to nothing about the case, so don’t you think you should first read what happened before asking questions that are absolutely baseless? It’s kind of wasting time...not just for people reading this, but your own, too. You may as well ask if the milkman killed them...that’s how silly your question is.

You can buy CAL’s book off Amazon — that’s the one that gives you ALL the correct FACTS.

Hope that helps.


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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

I've listened to Colin talking and he seems a reasonable guy.  All I wanted to know was whether he had an alibi for the night in question.  Simply being in London doesn't seem to be enough for there was still sufficient time to drive the round trip in the hours available.  But if it happened he was able to confirm he was in London that would be a different matter.

He had an alibi

Don’t you think that was established at the time?

It’s a ludicrous suggestion and I can’t take you seriously

I remember when you got confused replying to me about a week ago...you said something like “I’m sorry, I can’t help you with any questions “ even though I hadn’t asked you ONE

You sound like you get confused...

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Offline Robittybob1

Sorry to jump in....

Robbitybob, when you say Caroline “hasn’t told US” who do you mean by “us”? You and Brancher?

Absolutely everyone knows Colin wasn’t a suspect and wasn’t in any way involved.  Besides having a cast iron alibi he had no motive. Neither was in Essex when Jeremy murdered them.

It’s a ludicrous suggestion. You’ve clearly read next to nothing about the case, so don’t you think you should first read what happened before asking questions that are absolutely baseless? It’s kind of wasting time...not just for people reading this, but your own, too. You may as well ask if the milkman killed them...that’s how silly your question is.

You can buy CAL’s book off Amazon — that’s the one that gives you ALL the correct FACTS.

Hope that helps.
I feel we are going around in circles here.  You say "Besides having a cast-iron alibi", well I ask what was the alibi.
Is it just that he was in London, yet I've been told one can drive from London to the farm in less than 2 hours. 
So he still remains a possible suspect unless there was a way of confirming he had remained in London.

An extremely high proportion of murders are committed by family members.   So there may be a hidden motive in there somewhere.  I'm not saying he is guilty, all I'm asking is what is his alibi?

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Offline APRIL

I feel we are going around in circles here.  You say "Besides having a cast-iron alibi", well I ask what was the alibi.
Is it just that he was in London, yet I've been told one can drive from London to the farm in less than 2 hours. 
So he still remains a possible suspect unless there was a way of confirming he had remained in London.

An extremely high proportion of murders are committed by family members.   So there may be a hidden motive in there somewhere.  I'm not saying he is guilty, all I'm asking is what is his alibi?


I don't imagine Colin would have known one end of a gun from another, although I believe he'd been beating -probably when he and Sheila were courting- but it wouldn't come as a surprise to learn he was anti gun use.

Offline Caroline

I feel we are going around in circles here.  You say "Besides having a cast-iron alibi", well I ask what was the alibi.
Is it just that he was in London, yet I've been told one can drive from London to the farm in less than 2 hours. 
So he still remains a possible suspect unless there was a way of confirming he had remained in London.

An extremely high proportion of murders are committed by family members.   So there may be a hidden motive in there somewhere.  I'm not saying he is guilty, all I'm asking is what is his alibi?

He was at home with his partner - what other alibi would you expect him to have?

What was his motive to kill the Bambers, his ex wife and only children?

We seem to be starting from a point of impossibility and working up. Don't really think that's how the cops do it.


Offline ISpyWithMyEye

I feel we are going around in circles here.  You say "Besides having a cast-iron alibi", well I ask what was the alibi.
Is it just that he was in London, yet I've been told one can drive from London to the farm in less than 2 hours. 
So he still remains a possible suspect unless there was a way of confirming he had remained in London.

An extremely high proportion of murders are committed by family members.   So there may be a hidden motive in there somewhere.  I'm not saying he is guilty, all I'm asking is what is his alibi?


It WAS confirmed Colin was at HOME in London with his girlfriend all night long.

Don’t you think the police knew that? Or do you think you and Brancher — who appear to know next to nothing about the case – have suddenly come up with a lightbulb moment?

Don’t you think the police knew all these facts back then?

You ask the same questions over and over, but if you spent a little time to read the events of the night on the official documents you’ll find all the answers there.

The only thing you’ve said that’s correct is that family members are often the prime suspects, and Jeremy was a family member.

Jeremy was also the one who claimed Nevill phoned him at approximately 3:15am and said Sheila had gone berserk and got the gun.

So, was Jeremy lying or hallucinating?

To even suggest Colin drove up to WHF and murdered the sons he worshipped including everyone else is quite frankly, nuts.
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Offline Robittybob1


It WAS confirmed Colin was at HOME in London with his girlfriend all night long.

Don’t you think the police knew that? Or do you think you and Brancher — who appear to know next to nothing about the case – have suddenly come up with a lightbulb moment?

Don’t you think the police knew all these facts back then?

You ask the same questions over and over, but if you spent a little time to read the events of the night on the official documents you’ll find all the answers there.

The only thing you’ve said that’s correct is that family members are often the prime suspects, and Jeremy was a family member.

Jeremy was also the one who claimed Nevill phoned him at approximately 3:15am and said Sheila had gone berserk and got the gun.

So, was Jeremy lying or hallucinating?

To even suggest Colin drove up to WHF and murdered the sons he worshipped including everyone else is quite frankly, nuts.
I'm thinking more what if "Colin drove up to WHF" and found Sheila had murdered his sons what would happen after that?
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Offline APRIL

I'm thinking more what if "Colin drove up to WHF" and found Sheila had murdered his sons what would happen after that?


What reason would Colin have to drive to WHF around midnight of Tuesday/Wednesday, when it was arranged that he'd be picking them up at a reasonable time on Thursday?

Offline Robittybob1

17. Shortly after the marriage Sheila’s mental health began to fail and the couple divorced in
May 1982. During 1983 Sheila was admitted to a psychiatric hospital and subsequently was
diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. In March 1985 she was re-admitted to hospital
before being discharged a little under four weeks later. For the months before their death,
the children had been living with their father, although seeing their mother frequently. On 4
August 1985 (three days before the killings) Colin Caffell had taken his ex-wife and
children to spend a few days with their grandparents at the farm in Essex.
https://murderpedia.org/male.B/images/bamber_jeremy/20011745.pdf  page 4.

23. Barbara Wilson, the farm secretary telephoned the farmhouse at 9.30 p.m. and spoke to
Nevill Bamber. He was not cheerful and Mrs Wilson thought she had interrupted an
argument. In evidence she described Nevill as abrupt, very impatient and very short. Pamela
Boutflour, June Bamber’s sister also telephoned the house that evening at about 10 p.m. She
spoke first with Sheila Caffell who was quiet and then to her  (page 5)

38. At 8.10 a.m., Dr Craig attended the scene to formally certify the deaths. In cross-examination at the trial he said the deaths could have occurred at any time during the
previous night. The appearance of Sheila Caffell’s body suggested to him that the wounds
had been inflicted by her own hand. In answer to the judge the witness made it clear this
was not an opinion the jury should rely upon as a true indication that the injuries had been
self-inflicted.  (page 7)

39. Dr Craig also saw the appellant outside the farmhouse. He said he appeared to be in a state
of shock. At one stage he broke down and cried and he also appeared to vomit. The
appellant told the doctor there had been “some considerable discussion” amongst the family
about the future of Sheila Caffell’s children the previous evening, during which the question of their being fostered had been raised. He said that the family was concerned that his sister
had been abusing the children.

65. As regards the twins, four of the five injuries suffered by Daniel were caused when the gun
was held within one foot of his head, the fifth was from over two feet away. The three
wounds to Nicholas were contact or close proximity shots.


83. Colin Caffell (her ex-husband) said that although there had been violent outbursts by Sheila
during their time together, this had involved the throwing of pots and pans and the
occasional striking of him. To his knowledge she had never harmed the children or behaved
violently towards anybody else. (page 14)

154. In dealing with the second question, whether Sheila Caffell may have killed the others and
then committed suicide, the judge made clear that answering this question involved a
number of different considerations. He suggested that one was “clearly of paramount
importance”, namely whether the second and fatal shot to Sheila Caffell was fired with the
silencer on. If it was, she could not have fired that shot. He made clear that there were
other considerations and the jury could come to the conclusion that Sheila Caffell did not
carry out the killings “even without reference to the sound moderator”. He added that the
evidence relating to the sound moderator could, however, “on its own” lead them to
conclude that the appellant was guilty.

Was Jeremy Bamber even in the house at that time?
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Offline Robittybob1


What reason would Colin have to drive to WHF around midnight of Tuesday/Wednesday, when it was arranged that he'd be picking them up at a reasonable time on Thursday?
Because they were in the thick of having an argument over the custody of Colin's children,  Surely he needs to be involved.  Wasn't Colin planning on taking them to Norway that week?
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Offline APRIL

Because they were in the thick of having an argument over the custody of Colin's children,  Surely he needs to be involved.  Wasn't Colin planning on taking them to Norway that week?


The planned trip to Norway was the reason for him picking them up on Thursday. I don't think Sheila and Colin were in daily contact. They hadn't been together for the best part of 6 years. There's only Jeremy's word for it that there was an argument, regarding the boys' care, going on. In any case, no point in him being involved in a discussion. He could have vetoed anything put forward by the Bambers. Unless it had slipped your memory, telephones had been invented. It would have made rather more sense to have called, rather than turn up at midnight when everyone was in bed.

Offline Robittybob1


The planned trip to Norway was the reason for him picking them up on Thursday. I don't think Sheila and Colin were in daily contact. They hadn't been together for the best part of 6 years. There's only Jeremy's word for it that there was an argument, regarding the boys' care, going on. In any case, no point in him being involved in a discussion. He could have vetoed anything put forward by the Bambers. Unless it had slipped your memory, telephones had been invented. It would have made rather more sense to have called, rather than turn up at midnight when everyone was in bed.

There seems to be more to it:  "Daniel and Nicholas Caffell
Daniel and Nicholas Caffell (born 22 June 1979, six when they died) were born to Sheila and Colin Caffell, who married in 1977 and divorced in 1980. Colin was an art student when he met Sheila. Both parents were involved in the children's upbringing after the divorce, although the boys were briefly placed in foster care in London, in 1982 and 1983, because of Sheila's health problems. For several months before the murders, they had been living with Colin in his home in Kilburn, north London, not far from Sheila's home in Maida Vale.
A week-long visit to White House Farm had been arranged for the August at the Bambers' request; the plan was that the boys would visit their grandparents with Sheila before going on holiday to Norway with their father. Daniel and Nicholas were reluctant to stay at the farm. They disliked that June made them pray, and in the car on the way asked their father to speak to her about it. In addition Daniel had become a vegetarian and was worried about being forced to eat meat. When their father dropped them off at the house on 4 August, it was the last time he saw them. The boys are buried together in Highgate Cemetery. Sheila was cremated, and the urn with her ashes was placed in their coffin."  http://www.popflock.com/learn?s=White_House_Farm_murders
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Offline Caroline

Because they were in the thick of having an argument over the custody of Colin's children,  Surely he needs to be involved.  Wasn't Colin planning on taking them to Norway that week?

They weren't in any  argument!