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Offline APRIL

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2020, 08:58:44 AM »
What about the single letters and repeated number 3?  I'd like to get the Holy Spirit to tell us what Sheila meant by those letters and numbers.

The boys were practicing their numbers and letters? I think, if you're determined that it was Sheila, you may be calling on the wrong Deity for assistance? Murder is more Devil oriented.

Offline APRIL

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2020, 09:00:30 AM »
I wonder if Andrew Hunter ever uses the name Pargeter in his book.  He always steers clear of naming the Bamber relative who was supposed to be the owner of the .22 bolt action gun.   [I've just remembered there is no way to search the  Andrew Hunter draft book for names as it is in photo form.


Perhaps he feared it could be construed as libelous? It's knowledge that's floated around on blue for years.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2020, 09:01:29 AM »

It may not be done and dusted to those determined that it holds a message. Let's face it, as it says nothing, it can mean anything anyone wants it to mean. What it clearly doesn't say is "I'm the suicide note written by Sheila Caffell after she killed her family".
it is like any coded message, we take the meaning as delivered.

The boys were practicing their numbers and letters? I think, if you're determined that it was Sheila, you may be calling on the wrong Deity for assistance? Murder is more Devil oriented.
I don't know about that sorry.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2020, 09:03:01 AM »

Perhaps he feared it could be construed as libelous? It's knowledge that's floated around on blue for years.
Well, no one wants to get sued for defamation do we!

Anthony Pargeter
Information on this web page was first uploaded to the internet in January 2012.

Anthony Pargeter and his rifle and sound moderator

Anthony Pargeter is Jeremy’s cousin on his father’s side. He married Regine Hausser, daughter of famous photographer Robert Hausser. Anthony had a sister, Jacqueline, who married Richard Wood.

Anthony and Jacqueline also had half brothers, as their mother, Audrey, had died and Reginald married again having two other sons called Clive and Roland. It is in Roland’s statement where rumours of a plane flying over to drop drugs at the farm in the middle of the night must have started. He confesses his own involvement in drugs and details a convoluted account of visiting a psychic and her telling him a tale of three hit men who killed the family. [1]

Anthony Pargeter had been shooting with Jeremy and was a frequent visitor to the farm from his home at the time in Bourne End, Buckinghamshire. He told the police that Jeremy became interested in guns in 1980 and then details that he himself had a .410 shotgun. He then graduated to a 12 bore shotgun, and gave his .410 to Jeremy which Jeremy never used. [2] This gun was kept at the farm and had to be licensed to Nevill Bamber as Jeremy Bamber did not own a gun, only an air rifle.  In his 8th of August Statement he describes Jeremy as “a likeable young man” and that Nevill Bamber had told him that he had spoken of the acquisitions of farmland to give Jeremy an opportunity to try farming on his own if he ever wished to do so. Nevill had told Anthony that he would be around for a few years yet to guide Jeremy. [3] This is contrary to media reports that Nevill Bamber had a strange premonition that he was going to die.

In his later statement of September Anthony’s feelings about Jeremy appear to have shifted and he becomes suspicious of Jeremy’s interest in guns. He also details a conversation with David Boutflour about their discussion on the red paint found the moderator which matched the paint on the Aga surround. He says he went to the farm and noticed the scoring in the paint work and believed this is where the moderator had come into contact with the mantle. [4]

Where were Anthony Pargeter’s rifle and moderator on the night of the tragedy?

Anthony Pargeter made many statements to the police about the tragedy. In his statement of 8th August and the 10th of September he makes no mention of his rifle being at the farm. He discusses the rifle owned by Nevill and its whereabouts, but he does not clarify he came across it whilst looking for his own gun until statements made later.

So on the 17th of September he goes on to detail that he kept two 12 bore shotguns and an air rifle at the farm house but after the tragedy picked them up from David Boutflour and took them back to his home in Bourne End.

Then on t he 17th of November he told police that he only used “.22 rifles in Africa but in England I only had an air rifle”. He is not explicit about where this rifle was kept.

Anthony becomes more explicit in his later 12th of December statement by saying that that he did own a BRNO .22 bolt action rifle and says that it was at White House Farm the weekend before the tragedies. He does not state that he took the rifle away from the farm when he left and as he did not attend the farm again until after the incident we can assume that the rifle was at the White House Farm during the tragedies. He also makes no mention that he owned a sound moderator, or that the rifle had one to use with it at the farm.

At trial he then details verbally again that the rifle was at the farm the weekend before the tragedies, and he also told the court that he left his rifle at the farm, and I quote “I take the bolt with me. I leave the rifle at White House”. [5]  Anthony makes no mention of his sound moderator at this point.

In 1991 after complaints by Jeremy Bamber, the City of London Police seized Pargeter’s rifle and moderator. There are three points at issue here:

Annthony Pargeter’s gun was licensed in 1980 for three years, and renewed in 1983. It was to be used at White House Farm, but the license stipulated that it was to be kept at his home in Bourne End, Bucks. He was also issued with a sound moderator for use with the rifle at White House Farm.  [6]

So, we have established that Anthony did keep his rifle at the farm which was in breach of his license. Secondly that he owned a sound moderator which was also under the same license terms as the rifle.

Anthony Pargeter sued the Sport Newspaper in 1991 after they had misled readers by suggesting that his rifle had been at White House Farm and possibly used during the tragedies.  The Sport lost the libel case and Pargeter was awarded compensation of £40,000 plus costs of £60,000. [7]

The third point that I would like to make is about the moderator is that In 1991 when the police seized the moderator and rifle from Anthony for testing, they detail that it’s the same type and make as the one allegedly used during the tragedies. [8] I quote “Sound Moderator the same make and type as DRB/1” The witness reference exhibit number for the moderator supposedly used the kill the family was DRB/1 (It was given this reference because it was David Robert Boutflour who found the exhibit).

It has been repeatedly denied by police that there were two identical moderators. Jeremy Bamber maintains that there were two sound moderators at the farm with DS Stan Jones (initials SBJ) probably finding Anthony’s moderator at the scene on the 7th of August. It can be shown that DS Davidson fingerprinted a sound moderator on the 9th of August 1985,[9] which is impossible if David Boutflour did not find the sound moderator in the gun cupboard until the 10th of August 1985.

It is likely then, that these were switched over as the case progressed, there are many evidential papers and photographs to support this argument including the moderator label’s having the wrong case reference number on it and further tampering of the exhibit witness reference number which evolved from being SBJ/1 to DB/1 to DRB/1 with no supporting explanatory paperwork. There are two forensic scientists, Brian Elliott and Glynnis Howard who both made detailed statements to the City of London police stating that the reference numbers for the sound moderators in their original statements had been altered without their knowledge. [10] Considering how important the moderator was to the conviction of Jeremy Bamber it has had a surprisingly colourful life, evolving from nothing, to have many different names and guises.
https://jeremybamber.org/anthony-pargeter/

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Offline APRIL

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2020, 09:09:02 AM »
it is like any coded message, we take the meaning as delivered.
 I don't know about that sorry.


So what, in your opinion, is the message being delivered here, and what leads you to that conclusion?

Offline APRIL

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2020, 09:11:08 AM »
Well, no one wants to get sued for defamation do we!


"We" certainly don't.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2020, 09:32:29 AM »
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« by Holly Goodhead on May 15, 2020, 12:38:54 PM »
......  to stumble downstairs pouring with blood, half paralysed, dazed, dizzy, shocked, and psychotic.   Almost  ......
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Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. / Re: Is there any evidence which implicates Sheila?
« by Caroline on April 18, 2020, 11:58:37 AM »
......  have slept through it but she must have been paralysed by terror when he made her sit for the first  ......
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« by G-Unit on March 23, 2020, 07:37:49 AM »
......  manage to walk when she was possibly partially paralysed due to the bullet fracturing part of her spine?    ......
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« by steve_trousers on February 18, 2020, 04:05:43 PM »
......  profusely with his tongue ripped & larynx paralysed — instead of calling the caretaker, the  ......
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« by Nicholas on April 26, 2020, 06:02:41 PM »
......  semi-conscious, gurgling for breath, partially paralysed as her upper spine had been shattered by the  ......
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« by Ispywithmybigeye on March 17, 2020, 03:15:38 AM »
......  herself a SECOND time when she was partially paralysed having fractured her spine where the bullet ended, ......
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« by Ispywithmybigeye on April 11, 2020, 07:51:12 AM »
......  with blood, her head at an angle and partially paralysed, she managed to put her hand down again, fumble  ......
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« by Holly Goodhead on July 10, 2018, 03:48:10 PM »
......  evidence was that the first shot would have paralysed Sheila effectively making any second shot  ......
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« by Holly Goodhead on January 22, 2014, 11:17:08 PM »
...... . The bullet fragmented and left her effectively paralysed. She was semi conscious and could never have  ......
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Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. / Re: Ballistic analyses relating to Nevill and June Bamber.
« by Holly Goodhead on November 21, 2014, 12:32:16 PM »
......  we are asked to believe that June lay in bed paralysed by fear. I don't think so. &%&£(+    I don't  ............  June lay in bed paralysed by fear. I think the shots she received whilst  ......
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« by Holly Goodhead on November 18, 2013, 10:36:36 PM »
......  have rendered her unconscious, and possibly even paralysed. Dr Vanezis's comment that the first shot wouldn' ......
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« by puglove on April 14, 2013, 01:20:03 AM »
...... 't have killed her Outlook but it effectively paralysed her and most probably stunned her. The second  ......
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« by david1819 on January 26, 2015, 07:43:46 PM »
......  everywhere. A person who is effectively stunned/paralysed by a bullet in the neck is incapable of targeting  ......
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Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. / Re: Was Sheila shot with a rifle fitted with a silencer?
« by John on April 08, 2012, 09:44:20 PM »
...... 't make the second one because she was effectively paralysed from the lacerations to her neck and spine where  ......"


Only one entry seems to be talking about June Bamber otherwise the remainder seem on the initial view to be referring to Sheila.

So there seems a high degree of consensus that the first shot paralysed her.

I can see my username being used above in quotes I haven't made?!

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline APRIL

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2020, 09:35:57 AM »
I can see my username being used above in quotes I haven't made?!


How could that have been arranged, then? Or are they your words taken out of context?
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Offline barrier

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2020, 10:05:17 AM »
As I said if Jeremy Bamber didn't do it, he wasn't in the house to know if there was a third party or not.  Sheila isn't there to tell us what happened either.

Did someone hire a hitman?  Were there other family members involved?

In all the subsequent years after the fact and conviction even JB has never used the 3rd party has a defence has he? he said Sheila did it.
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Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2020, 10:06:37 AM »
I was telling the forum yesterday of how the Lord can help in some cases and when I look at the "suicide note" left by Sheila I would think it will take the "Mind of God" to decipher what she meant by it all.


My own feeling is that Sheila wouldn't have written a suicide note. IF she killed her family and then herself, it would have been because she was behaving totally erratically as a result of illness, and writing a note wouldn't even have occurred to her.

Offline barrier

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2020, 10:08:49 AM »
The boys were practicing their numbers and letters? I think, if you're determined that it was Sheila, you may be calling on the wrong Deity for assistance? Murder is more Devil oriented.

The devil always call in his debt,JB is learning that.
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Offline APRIL

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2020, 10:25:44 AM »

My own feeling is that Sheila wouldn't have written a suicide note. IF she killed her family and then herself, it would have been because she was behaving totally erratically as a result of illness, and writing a note wouldn't even have occurred to her.



I agree. A written note indicates some forethought and planning. Doesn't fit with a psychotic episode.

Offline APRIL

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2020, 10:29:39 AM »
The devil always call in his debt,JB is learning that.


One might be forgiven for believing that JB, because he never had one, had thought to cheat the devil of gaining his soul when he entered into his unholy alliance.

Offline puglove

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2020, 10:30:20 AM »
I was telling the forum yesterday of how the Lord can help in some cases and when I look at the "suicide note" left by Sheila I would think it will take the "Mind of God" to decipher what she meant by it all.

Do you think that, sometimes, God might be winding you up a bit, Rob? Like when he invented wasps, and gave men nipples?
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: How Sheila Caffell nee Bamber died
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2020, 10:33:10 AM »

So what, in your opinion, is the message being delivered here, and what leads you to that conclusion?
I have no idea.
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