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Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2010 on: June 14, 2020, 08:28:17 AM »
I'm afraid not. I think he might have said it in the Netflix series, but I really don't know.

I couldn't find it when I was looking for it last night.  What I did find was that in the early days he viewed Gerry with suspicion and tried to encourage a confession if he was (I think it was regarding giving assistance to draft the first appeal).

That was in accord with the principle of first of all checking out the parents of a missing child.

The conclusion he eventually arrived at was that neither parent was involved in Madeleine's disappearance and he has never deviated from that.

In 2017 he said ...
Snip
   ...  ...  he said: “Someone knows what happened and it’s time they came forward.”

Mr Edgar believes an abductor has secretly confessed to the crime and, speaking for the first time since his three-year private investigation into the 2007 disappearance, he said one of those involved will have opened-up to a friend or relative.

Calling for an end to the agony of Maddie’s parents Kate and Gerry, he pleaded: “If anyone confided in you, now is the time to come forward.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/someone-protecting-madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-10104793


I don't think that is a million miles away from recent events.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2011 on: June 14, 2020, 08:29:00 AM »
From today’s Sunday Times

Hotel worker may have helped Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner
Police believe a member of staff may have told him that Madeleine’s parents were not in their apartment

German investigators, who have “sidelined” Scotland Yard’s own £12m hunt for Madeleine, are trying to trace the owner of the mobile phone used to call Brückner. “We are investigating if an Ocean Club member of staff helped the suspect on the night Madeleine disappeared,” Wolters confirmed. “This is of interest to us. The phone call made by the suspect could be between him and a member of staff who told him when to break into the McCanns’ apartment.”

The call was made just before Madeleine went missing on May 3, 2007. The three-year-old had been left asleep in the apartment with her twin two-year-old siblings. It was received on a mobile handset belonging to Brückner at 7.32pm and finished at 8.02pm. It places Brückner’s phone in the Praia da Luz area.

Madeleine was last seen at 9.05pm, when her father, Gerry, checked her room to find her asleep. He closed the bedroom door and left via the unlocked patio doors.

A working theory is that Brückner used the tipoff from the employee at the Ocean Club, then owned by the holiday giant Mark Warner, to time his raid on the Algarve holiday apartment. Instead of stealing the McCanns’ valuables, however, he carried Madeleine away, German police suspect. There is no evidence the employee knew about Madeleine’s kidnap in advance.

Wolters said police had not interviewed Brückner about Madeleine’s murder because they had not yet traced the person who called him.

“Our evidence tells us the suspect was doing burglaries in Praia da Luz and Lagos [a nearby resort] at the time,” he said. “We want to speak to the person he spoke to on the phone before we interview the suspect in prison.

“We haven’t found that person yet. The phone of the suspect was in Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine went missing. This is from mobile phone data.

“But at the moment if we interview the suspect he could say, ‘My girlfriend had my phone that night and I didn’t have it’. The person he spoke to could put the phone in his hand [by confirming that it was definitely Brückner to whom he spoke], which would mean he was in the area at the time.

“This is the evidence we want before we issue an arrest warrant and then interview him for the murder. It would help the case against him — but we would also need more evidence.”

Kate McCann, Madeleine’s mother, has long suspected that the tapas restaurant’s booking details could have been passed to their daughter’s kidnapper. In her book, Madeleine, she recalled that they were “by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too.

“To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence . . . the receptionist had added [that] . . . we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.”

Wolters confirmed that an attack on a 10-year-old British girl in 2005 in Praia da Luz forms part of the inquiries against Brückner.

Nine sexual assaults and three near-misses took place on British girls aged between six and 12 while their families were on holiday in the Algarve between from 2004 to 2006, according to the Metropolitan police.

German federal police, known as the BKA, have taken the lead in the Madeleine case. One source said the Madeleine inquiry by Scotland Yard was now “piggy-backing” the BKA and had “been sidelined” by a German team made of up to 100 investigators.

British police have known about Brückner’s name since a tipoff from the Germans in 2013 although it is said to have been “vague” and lacking in “specific detail”, according to a police source.

Police in Braunschweig, a city in Lower Saxony known as Brunswick in English, investigated the tip at the time and saw on their database that Brückner was a known sexual offender. He was sent a summons to appear as a witness in the Madeleine case, and German media said last week it would have “given him enough time to remove any evidence”.

However, Wolters pointed out the suspect had already had 2007 to 2013 to remove any evidence of the murder.

Wolters insisted relations between German police and Scotland Yard were “strong”. However, one senior German police source said the Portuguese authorities were dragging their heels on new evidence against Brückner. “They blame the parents and don’t want to be proved wrong because that would look bad for them,” the source said.

An arrest warrant has not yet been issued against Brückner for Madeleine’s murder because senior police and prosecutors would be forced to reveal their evidence against him. “We’re not ready to do that yet,” Wolters said.

Asked to mark out of 10 the strength of the evidence against Brückner, Wolters replied: “It is not 10. We need a 10 to take him to court. But it is not 1 or 0. It is something above that.

“The best thing [to solve the case] would be a confession. Or when we find the body, that would be a big step, but it could be possible that we find other things. Some objects that would help. We don’t know what we will get. We just need some more evidence to go to court.”

Wolters said a key piece of evidence obtained by his team provided a “100%” certainty that Madeleine was no longer alive.

However, speaking to the Sunday Mirror, he appeared to row back on this.

“Because there is no forensic evidence there may be a little bit of hope (that she is alive),” Wolters told the paper.

“We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be theoretically possible.

“I know it’s important for the British people when I say she is dead, but I did not know it was so important.”

Last week he refused to deny whether the inquiry team had obtained video footage or photographs of Madeleine. However, he ruled out having any forensic evidence relating to her death that may have come from Brückner’s two vehicles, a Jaguar and VW Westfalia camper van in the possession of the German police.

Brückner, 43, had been living in Praia da Luz in a ramshackle farmhouse overlooking the holiday resort. He had fled to Portugal in 1995 as an 18-year-old to escape a two-year youth custody sentence for child sex offences. He was later convicted of the sexual abuse of another child and the rape of a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz.

Brückner has been linked to at least four unsolved child disappearances around Europe.

He is serving a 21-month jail sentence in Kiel, northern Germany.

@DavidCollinsST

Scotland Yard’s £12m search

How much has Operation Grange cost?
From May 2011 to April 2020, a total of £12.1m has been spent in the hunt to find Madeleine McCann, known as Operation Grange. An application for further funding is pending.

How is it funded?
Scotland Yard receives money from the Home Office through “special grant funding”, which is usually available to police forces for significant or exceptional costs.

What are its resources?
At its peak, Operation Grange, initially run by Detective Chief Inspector Andrew Redwood, had a team of 28 detectives and seven civilian staff. In 2015, this was reduced to four detectives. The German investigation has up to 100 police working on the case.

When did Scotland Yard first become aware of Christian Brückner?
Portuguese police claim they told Scotland Yard about Brückner in 2012. His name was one of 600 persons of interest, but he was not classed as a suspect at this stage. The German authorities passed on a “vague” tipoff they received about Brückner in 2013. In 2017 they received a second tipoff about him. He was then made a prime suspect.

What do the German police and prosecutors think of the British and Portuguese investigations?
Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said there was “potential room for improvement” on international co-operation between national police forces. The Portuguese were “slow” to react to requests, he said. In his view the British police were more efficient at providing investigative information.

Where does the investigation go now?
German and British police are looking for a piece of evidence that can be a “knockout blow”. The case needs a confession, a body, forensics, or an item of evidence. British police are sifting through nearly 1,000 calls and emails received from the public since the new appeal this month.
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2012 on: June 14, 2020, 08:29:50 AM »
The first time Clarence Mitchell went out there was when he was sent by HM Government, so of course he was officially briefed ... he wasn't in briefingthe McCanns employ.

So in May / June 2007 the UK Police and the CEOP were briefing a civil servant on an on-going criminal investigation with complete reassurance that they were only considering one scenario. This is massively prejudicial IMO. How could law enforcement officers act in the interests of justice if they have decided themselves what they believe happened. What evidence did the Police and CEOP possess in May 2007 that allowed them to offer such "complete reassurance"?

Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2013 on: June 14, 2020, 08:47:42 AM »
Its him alright what more do they want,the mail have tracked down an important witness.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Won't be long now for charges.
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2014 on: June 14, 2020, 08:50:52 AM »
I couldn't find it when I was looking for it last night.  What I did find was that in the early days he viewed Gerry with suspicion and tried to encourage a confession if he was (I think it was regarding giving assistance to draft the first appeal).

That was in accord with the principle of first of all checking out the parents of a missing child.

The conclusion he eventually arrived at was that neither parent was involved in Madeleine's disappearance and he has never deviated from that.

In 2017 he said ...
Snip
   ...  ...  he said: “Someone knows what happened and it’s time they came forward.”

Mr Edgar believes an abductor has secretly confessed to the crime and, speaking for the first time since his three-year private investigation into the 2007 disappearance, he said one of those involved will have opened-up to a friend or relative.

Calling for an end to the agony of Maddie’s parents Kate and Gerry, he pleaded: “If anyone confided in you, now is the time to come forward.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/someone-protecting-madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-10104793


I don't think that is a million miles away from recent events.


If this is the case why was CM given "complete reassurance" that the UK Police and CEOP were treating this as "rare stranger abduction" in May 2007?
« Last Edit: June 14, 2020, 12:02:06 PM by Brietta »

Offline Gertrude

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2015 on: June 14, 2020, 09:01:18 AM »
The backtracking begins; The Prosecutor admits this is all a theory, speculative. he also says he didn't realise it was important to the British people to keep hope that Madeleine is alive? Is this anything to do with lawyers...or SY?

'Hans Christian Wolters, the German prosecutor leading the investigation into Christian B - the new prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, has said it is possible the child is still alive. It comes after the cop claimed he thought the child, who went missing in May 2007, was dead.

Mr Wolters told the Mirror there is no forensic evidence to show Maddie is dead.

And despite previously saying he believes suspect Christian B killed her quickly, he said: “It was only personal opinion and speculation.”

Earlier this week the prosecutor said he believed the child had been killed.

He told The Times: “My private opinion is that he relatively quickly killed the girl, possibly abused her and then killed her

"We believe our suspect committed further crimes, especially sexual crimes, in Portugal possibly but also elsewhere like Germany.”

The comments prompted Kate and Gerry McCann, the missing girl's parents, to urge the German investigators to reveal the evidence that led to declare that she was dead.

A friend of the McCann's criticised him last night, and said: “You shouldn’t say it if you don’t know for a fact.

“They said from the outset they’re treating it as a murder investigation.......

..........
But in his latest comments on the investigation, Mr Wolters conceded there is "a little bit of hope" that she is still alive.

He told the newspaper: “Because there is no forensic evidence there may be a little bit of hope.

“We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be possible.

"I am surprised the fact we say or I say Madeleine is dead is so important for the British people.

"In Germany it’s more normal we investigate a murder in such a case, so it’s not so important. It’s more normal.”

Asked about saying Madeleine was killed quickly, he said: “That was private opinion and speculation... without facts. I said ‘I believe’ because in cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime then killed.’”

The McCann's Portuguese lawyer, Rogerio Alves, heavily criticised the investigators for refusing to say what ­evidence they had to suggest Maddie is dead.

He said: “They need to know what’s going on. It’s a question of legality but also humanity. Of course they want to know. It’s cruel.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1295535/Madeleine-Mccann-alive-update-German-investigation-Madeleine-Mccann-latest-news

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2016 on: June 14, 2020, 09:02:35 AM »
If this is the case why was CM given "complete reassurance" that the UK Police and CEOP were treating this as "rare stranger abduction" in May 2007?

In May 2007 Clarence Mitchell was an employee of HM Government who assigned him to Praia da Luz.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2017 on: June 14, 2020, 09:04:55 AM »
The backtracking begins; The Prosecutor admits this is all a theory, speculative. he also says he didn't realise it was important to the British people to keep hope that Madeleine is alive? Is this anything to do with lawyers...or SY?

'Hans Christian Wolters, the German prosecutor leading the investigation into Christian B - the new prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, has said it is possible the child is still alive. It comes after the cop claimed he thought the child, who went missing in May 2007, was dead.

Mr Wolters told the Mirror there is no forensic evidence to show Maddie is dead.

And despite previously saying he believes suspect Christian B killed her quickly, he said: “It was only personal opinion and speculation.”

Earlier this week the prosecutor said he believed the child had been killed.

He told The Times: “My private opinion is that he relatively quickly killed the girl, possibly abused her and then killed her

"We believe our suspect committed further crimes, especially sexual crimes, in Portugal possibly but also elsewhere like Germany.”

The comments prompted Kate and Gerry McCann, the missing girl's parents, to urge the German investigators to reveal the evidence that led to declare that she was dead.

A friend of the McCann's criticised him last night, and said: “You shouldn’t say it if you don’t know for a fact.

“They said from the outset they’re treating it as a murder investigation.......

..........
But in his latest comments on the investigation, Mr Wolters conceded there is "a little bit of hope" that she is still alive.

He told the newspaper: “Because there is no forensic evidence there may be a little bit of hope.

“We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be possible.

"I am surprised the fact we say or I say Madeleine is dead is so important for the British people.

"In Germany it’s more normal we investigate a murder in such a case, so it’s not so important. It’s more normal.”

Asked about saying Madeleine was killed quickly, he said: “That was private opinion and speculation... without facts. I said ‘I believe’ because in cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime then killed.’”

The McCann's Portuguese lawyer, Rogerio Alves, heavily criticised the investigators for refusing to say what ­evidence they had to suggest Maddie is dead.

He said: “They need to know what’s going on. It’s a question of legality but also humanity. Of course they want to know. It’s cruel.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1295535/Madeleine-Mccann-alive-update-German-investigation-Madeleine-Mccann-latest-news


What they mean is,they have b....r all on the alleged suspect,quell surprise,the tension eases,no imminent charges, ah well mid summer madness reigns. (&^&
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Offline Gertrude

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2018 on: June 14, 2020, 09:14:20 AM »
Its him alright what more do they want,the mail have tracked down an important witness.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Won't be long now for charges.

 The media continue the desperate barrel-scraping. Has anyone seen inside a VW van like that? You have a seat, that turns into the bed. In front of that is about 2 feet of leg space and a compact kitchen unit sometimes with a mini fridge. There's some 'boot' room over the engine at the back but you have to take everything out of there when you put the bed down, and store it in the front. They are pretty compact.

Offline Gertrude

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2019 on: June 14, 2020, 09:17:30 AM »

What they mean is,they have b....r all on the alleged suspect,quell surprise,the tension eases,no imminent charges, ah well mid summer madness reigns. (&^&

Indeed. Follow the logic not the media rubbish. They hadn't been able to charge him in 7 years, therefore no real evidence!

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2020 on: June 14, 2020, 09:24:20 AM »
In May 2007 Clarence Mitchell was an employee of HM Government who assigned him to Praia da Luz.

Yes I know. What evidence did the UK Police and CEOP have to provide this HM Govt employee, in May 2007, with "complete reassurance" that this was a case of "rare stranger abduction" by the like of someone like the German sex offender?

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2021 on: June 14, 2020, 10:01:20 AM »
Yes I know. What evidence did the UK Police and CEOP have to provide this HM Govt employee, in May 2007, with "complete reassurance" that this was a case of "rare stranger abduction" by the like of someone like the German sex offender?

I don't believe they had any evidence then or since.
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2022 on: June 14, 2020, 10:20:39 AM »
I don't believe they had any evidence then or since.

I don't either. That's why I was incensed at the time that CM made the claim in January 2008. He stated that from the outset the UK Police and CEOP were completely assured that this was a case of "rare stranger abduction" (like for example the German sex offender). It's shocking that apparently our Police already make up their minds whilst an investigation is still active, imo.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2023 on: June 14, 2020, 10:28:04 AM »
I don't either. That's why I was incensed at the time that CM made the claim in January 2008. He stated that from the outset the UK Police and CEOP were completely assured that this was a case of "rare stranger abduction" (like for example the German sex offender). It's shocking that apparently our Police already make up their minds whilst an investigation is still active, imo.

its how just about evry missing child investigation works from what ive read. Its important asap to rule in or rule out the parents...clearing the ground beneath their feet they call it.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2024 on: June 14, 2020, 10:29:58 AM »
Its him alright what more do they want,the mail have tracked down an important witness.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Won't be long now for charges.
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