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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2715 on: June 20, 2020, 01:24:58 PM »

But not when they’re on holiday abroad with a group of friends.

When the place is teeming with people.

When there was no NEED to kill her. Who on Earth, after having IVF because they wanted children so very much would they decide to murder her when on holiday? Maddie looked so happy in the photographs taken when she was there. She didn’t look fearful of her parents. She didn’t have any bruises or signs of abuse.

If, for some weird reason they wanted to kill the daughter they’d tried so desperately to have, why didn’t they engineer an accident such as drowning?

Why stage a kidnap that throws the spotlight on her disappearance? It would be very easy to have taken her out in a boat and drowned her. No-one would have suspected it was anything but a tragic accident.

As I understand it those who believe the parents responsible, and its not restricted to "trolls" on the Internet, believe the children were sedated of an evening so the parents could have a carefree time. MM then under the influence of "sedation" came to some harm by way of an accident.  The parents then fearing the consequences in terms of the twins and their professional status covered up.

I think many, myself included, struggle to understand how a set of parents who were in their late 30's and professional could ever have thought it was a good idea to go out night after night for their own pleasure leaving their children home alone in an unsecured holiday apartment.

If a central theme of the holiday was going to involve the adults socialising in the evening then why not rent a large apartment where they could all put the children to bed in their respective bedrooms and then sit out on the terrace with a bbq or takeaway food and booze? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2716 on: June 20, 2020, 01:25:42 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/20/madeleine-mccann-case-tabloids-and-trolls-fill-vacuum-as-wait-goes-on

I wish the word troll wasn't bandied about indiscriminately.  Those who believe the McCanns were responsible, I'm not one of them, have formed beliefs and opinions which they're entitled to have and express.
From the article

“The trolls jump on any new information and find their own angle. “It is hugely important to a lot of people’s identities,” Synnott said. “They see new information, but they find something in there that aligns with their existing critique, and they regurgitate it.”

Like Synnott, Summers fears that for some it will never be enough. “There is a hardcore cadre who will never believe any resolution,” he said. “They will take this to the ‘we never landed on the moon’ level.

Yep, seen that on here.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline kizzy

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2717 on: June 20, 2020, 01:30:46 PM »
No, I haven’t

Do you have a link?

Or what does it it claim?

You see you're a novice jumping in with both feet

You don't know anything it seems  @)(++(*

Just one of those people catching up with things on the internet ISWMBE

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2718 on: June 20, 2020, 01:31:20 PM »
As I understand it those who believe the parents responsible, and its not restricted to "trolls" on the Internet, believe the children were sedated of an evening so the parents could have a carefree time. MM then under the influence of "sedation" came to some harm by way of an accident.  The parents then fearing the consequences in terms of the twins and their professional status covered up.

I think many, myself included, struggle to understand how a set of parents who were in their late 30's and professional could ever have thought it was a good idea to go out night after night for their own pleasure leaving their children home alone in an unsecured holiday apartment.

If a central theme of the holiday was going to involve the adults socialising in the evening then why not rent a large apartment where they could all put the children to bed in their respective bedrooms and then sit out on the terrace with a bbq or takeaway food and booze?

Then as the McCanns claimed it would be like eating in the garden at home instead of the BS about the tapas restaurant being akin to the garden at home when it clearly wasn't. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2719 on: June 20, 2020, 01:41:31 PM »
As I understand it those who believe the parents responsible, and its not restricted to "trolls" on the Internet, believe the children were sedated of an evening so the parents could have a carefree time. MM then under the influence of "sedation" came to some harm by way of an accident.  The parents then fearing the consequences in terms of the twins and their professional status covered up.

I think many, myself included, struggle to understand how a set of parents who were in their late 30's and professional could ever have thought it was a good idea to go out night after night for their own pleasure leaving their children home alone in an unsecured holiday apartment.

If a central theme of the holiday was going to involve the adults socialising in the evening then why not rent a large apartment where they could all put the children to bed in their respective bedrooms and then sit out on the terrace with a bbq or takeaway food and booze?

Its one thing beleiving maddie died in an accident...which I think is  basically an impossible scenario...then covered it up...got away with it...then petitioned to have the case reopened . I find that idea totally ridiculous.
Its then another thing to post nastiness and hatred towards them for 13 years on the net

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2720 on: June 20, 2020, 01:52:59 PM »
From the article

“The trolls jump on any new information and find their own angle. “It is hugely important to a lot of people’s identities,” Synnott said. “They see new information, but they find something in there that aligns with their existing critique, and they regurgitate it.”

Like Synnott, Summers fears that for some it will never be enough. “There is a hardcore cadre who will never believe any resolution,” he said. “They will take this to the ‘we never landed on the moon’ level.

Yep, seen that on here.

I've also seen on here that many are intolerant of the views of others even when they share the view the McCanns were not responsible.  Eg my theory is entirely plausible and there's no evidence my suspects have been investigated and yet you, Brietta, Davel and Myster all mock my theory when I don't believe "sceptics" have.  Why?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2721 on: June 20, 2020, 01:54:10 PM »
As I understand it those who believe the parents responsible, and its not restricted to "trolls" on the Internet, believe the children were sedated of an evening so the parents could have a carefree time. MM then under the influence of "sedation" came to some harm by way of an accident.  The parents then fearing the consequences in terms of the twins and their professional status covered up.

I think many, myself included, struggle to understand how a set of parents who were in their late 30's and professional could ever have thought it was a good idea to go out night after night for their own pleasure leaving their children home alone in an unsecured holiday apartment.

If a central theme of the holiday was going to involve the adults socialising in the evening then why not rent a large apartment where they could all put the children to bed in their respective bedrooms and then sit out on the terrace with a bbq or takeaway food and booze?


These people who assume the McCanns’ sedated Maddie are assuming that because they’re doctors

Even doctors need a script to get medication, and someone, somewhere would have known if either of them had been prescribed sedatives. Of course, anyone can buy sedative type mixtures over the counter, but as both Gerry and Kate were doctors IF they gave a sedative to Maddie they’d know exactly the right amount to give. I seem to remember Maddie had a couple of restless nights prior to that evening, so why weren’t they using the sedatives those nights?

It’s because they weren’t using any at all.

But let’s suppose they HAD, and let’s suppose when Gerry or Kate went into the apartment they discovered Maddie had died, which I think would be difficult without switching the light on which they wouldn’t have done as they didn’t want to wake them, why wouldn’t they have immediately carried out CPR on her and called an ambulance? They needn’t have said they’d medicated her had they done so: they could have said Maddie must have drank some medicine without their knowledge. Children have done that — they’ve even chewed tablets thinking they’re sweets.

There’s absolutely no evidence at all they sedated Maddie, and had they, as if they’d hide her body then go back to the Tapas bar all casual and continue eating and drinking! Coupled with the fact they were deeply religious, never in a million years would they just dispose of her body! And how could they? They had no transport and now where to hide her.

It’s too ludicrous to consider.

I agree that it was shortsighted of all the families to leave their children unattended and take it in turns to check on them, and I certainly wouldn’t do that. I’ve gone on family holidays in the past, where one of my relatives have brought their nanny with them so we could go out at night and drink etc.

I’m sure the McCann’s bitterly regret not doing that, too — they did have a nanny — but we don’t really know how close the Tapas Bar was to the apartment. Perhaps they could see it from where they were sat? Did they take a baby monitor with them?

I don’t know that much about the details to give my opinion on whether it was obviously reckless to leave the children alone. I seem to recall Gerry saying they could see the apartment and eating in the Tapas bar was almost like eating in your back garden?

My biggest worry would have been if Maddie walked out and fell into the swimming pool. Am I right in thinking she didn’t have the strength to slide the patio door open? Wasn’t it unlocked or something?
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2722 on: June 20, 2020, 01:54:26 PM »
Its one thing beleiving maddie died in an accident...which I think is  basically an impossible scenario...then covered it up...got away with it...then petitioned to have the case reopened . I find that idea totally ridiculous.
Its then another thing to post nastiness and hatred towards them for 13 years on the net

I've also seen on here that many are intolerant of the views of others even when they share the view the McCanns were not responsible.  Eg my theory is entirely plausible and there's no evidence my suspects have been investigated and yet you, Brietta, Myster, Vertigo Swirl all mock my theory when I don't believe "sceptics" have.  Why?
« Last Edit: June 20, 2020, 01:58:54 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2723 on: June 20, 2020, 01:57:37 PM »

These people who assume the McCanns’ sedated Maddie are assuming that because they’re doctors

Even doctors need a script to get medication, and someone, somewhere would have known if either of them had been prescribed sedatives. Of course, anyone can buy sedative type mixtures over the counter, but as both Gerry and Kate were doctors IF they gave a sedative to Maddie they’d know exactly the right amount to give. I seem to remember Maddie had a couple of restless nights prior to that evening, so why weren’t they using the sedatives those nights?

It’s because they weren’t using any at all.

But let’s suppose they HAD, and let’s suppose when Gerry or Kate went into the apartment they discovered Maddie had died, which I think would be difficult without switching the light on which they wouldn’t have done as they didn’t want to wake them, why wouldn’t they have immediately carried out CPR on her and called an ambulance? They needn’t have said they’d medicated her had they done so: they could have said Maddie must have drank some medicine without their knowledge. Children have done that — they’ve even chewed tablets thinking they’re sweets.

There’s absolutely no evidence at all they sedated Maddie, and had they, as if they’d hide her body then go back to the Tapas bar all casual and continue eating and drinking! Coupled with the fact they were deeply religious, never in a million years would they just dispose of her body! And how could they? They had no transport and now where to hide her.

It’s too ludicrous to consider.

I agree that it was shortsighted of all the families to leave their children unattended and take it in turns to check on them, and I certainly wouldn’t do that. I’ve gone on family holidays in the past, where one of my relatives have brought their nanny with them so we could go out at night and drink etc.

I’m sure the McCann’s bitterly regret not doing that, too — they did have a nanny — but we don’t really know how close the Tapas Bar was to the apartment. Perhaps they could see it from where they were sat? Did they take a baby monitor with them?

I don’t know that much about the details to give my opinion on whether it was obviously reckless to leave the children alone. I seem to recall Gerry saying they could see the apartment and eating in the Tapas bar was almost like eating in your back garden?

My biggest worry would have been if Maddie walked out and fell into the swimming pool. Am I right in thinking she didn’t have the strength to slide the patio door open? Wasn’t it unlocked or something?

I only got to the first para.  The "sceptics" believe the McCanns sedated the children based on the fact the twins slept on in the aftermath and cooments KM made about sedation.

Calpol has a sedative effect of sorts.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2724 on: June 20, 2020, 01:58:42 PM »
It seems to me though that a vociferous group take any suggestion that the McCann’s may have been responsible in some way as being nasty and hateful. It is perfectly acceptable to have different opinions given the evidence and information available to the public.

Opinion based upon the information we have is no more or less “nasty” and “hateful” if it’s aimed at the parents or the German sex offender, imo. It is not libellous or hateful to freely express an opinion.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2725 on: June 20, 2020, 02:03:14 PM »
I've also seen on here that many are intolerant of the views of others even when they share the view the McCanns were not responsible.  Eg my theory is entirely plausible and there's no evidence my suspects have been investigated and yet you, Brietta, Davel and Myster all mock my theory when I don't believe "sceptics" have.  Why?

I don't think your theory is plausible and i dont think im intolerant of others opinion...I think I just have  a better understanding of the evidence than sceptics.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2726 on: June 20, 2020, 02:05:46 PM »
You see you're a novice jumping in with both feet

You don't know anything it seems  @)(++(*

Just one of those people catching up with things on the internet ISWMBE

I don’t profess to know everything

Nor do I find any of this tragedy lighthearted enough to add laughing emojis...

FYI, I’m not “catching up” with the case from the Internet. I don’t trust unofficial sources, conspirators, trolls, or those who want to believe certain things for their own agendas.

I know about the case, obviously, and read the OFFICIAL reports; I don’t take note of armchair detectives who know almost as little as me.

But what I DO know is that the McCann’s didn’t have the OPPORTUNITY to kill Maddie. Nor the desire. And I DO know that Christian Buerick is a paedophile, rapist, serial burglar, and was close to the apartment that night. It hardly takes much thinking to work out how easily he could have taken her! But if you want to believe he didn’t, that he’s a really “nice guy” who just happened to be lurking around the place when Maddie disappeared and it’s “beastly” how the German police are convinced he took her and killed her, then carry on believing what you want.
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2727 on: June 20, 2020, 02:08:51 PM »
It seems to me though that a vociferous group take any suggestion that the McCann’s may have been responsible in some way as being nasty and hateful. It is perfectly acceptable to have different opinions given the evidence and information available to the public.

Opinion based upon the information we have is no more or less “nasty” and “hateful” if it’s aimed at the parents or the German sex offender, imo. It is not libellous or hateful to freely express an opinion.

Thinking the McCanns covered up an accident is not hateful or nasty but some of the posts towards the Mccanns are.
Expressing opinions can be libellous

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2728 on: June 20, 2020, 02:12:18 PM »
I only got to the first para.  The "sceptics" believe the McCanns sedated the children based on the fact the twins slept on in the aftermath and cooments KM made about sedation.

Calpol has a sedative effect of sorts.

Young children can often sleep through all sorts of noise and movement going on around them.

Why do you think the McCanns’ gave their children Calpol? Was a bottle found? Were tests carried out?

Even if they did, how do you know they didn’t need Calpol for something?

It’s all supposition.

And what’s your theory what happened?
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2729 on: June 20, 2020, 02:13:53 PM »

These people who assume the McCanns’ sedated Maddie are assuming that because they’re doctors

Even doctors need a script to get medication, and someone, somewhere would have known if either of them had been prescribed sedatives. Of course, anyone can buy sedative type mixtures over the counter, but as both Gerry and Kate were doctors IF they gave a sedative to Maddie they’d know exactly the right amount to give. I seem to remember Maddie had a couple of restless nights prior to that evening, so why weren’t they using the sedatives those nights?

It’s because they weren’t using any at all.


Fenergan was listed in the drugs removed from Apartment 5A. It’s an anti-histamine and also used for travel sickness but a well known side effect is its sedative properties. IMO this would have been worthy of further investigation. Amaral was, IMO, barking up the wrong tree with his talk of “calpol” which does not have sedative properties. Did the fenergan come from the UK? Who was it prescribed for? How many tablets (if any) had gone. Was the German sex offender prescribed fenergan? Maybe he dropped the box?