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Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7620 on: September 17, 2020, 09:54:47 AM »
I watched a TV drama documentary programme on serial killer Dennis Nilson who was convicted of his crimes by a majority verdict.

This despite the fact that ...
  • he had initially cooperated with the police
  • he had confessed in detail to the crimes
  • he was able to confirm the names of missing people with the DNA profile of some remains
  • he had shown the police where he had burned some of the bodies in the garden of a previous residence from which forensic evidence proved his accuracy
  • boiled human heads were recovered from Nilson's flat
  • severed human legs were found
  the jury was unable to reach a unanimous verdict on his crimes.

It really isn't as easy as is made out by some to gather sufficient evidence which will stand in court to ensure the conviction of a perpetrator.
Nilson's jury could not agree. 

Now think of the uphill task facing German prosecutors in a thirteen+ year old cold case as they search for evidence connecting any individual even if the perpetrator to those events.

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More on the drama from some of the police team who worked on the case ...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8735607/Des-Police-reveal-David-Tennant-got-right-wrong-investigation.html

Absolutely right. HCW says he has evidence...he hasnt said he has proof and that is why he is not as yet interviwing CB

Offline kizzy

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7621 on: September 17, 2020, 10:10:22 AM »
Absolutely right. HCW says he has evidence...he hasnt said he has proof and that is why he is not as yet interviwing CB

What he says he has ....and what he has is two different things.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7622 on: September 17, 2020, 12:07:52 PM »

You are stating opinion as fact...there may well be evidence of abduction based on the statement byHCW. That means you merely "think" there is no evidence when in fact there may well be.


To clarify....i dont just think scepetics cant bear to hear any evidence of abduction...I'm absolutely certain
Even if you are "absolutely certain" its still just your opinion.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7623 on: September 17, 2020, 12:11:18 PM »
Even if you are "absolutely certain" its still just your opinion.

And therefore I'm free to post it....and perhaps gunit should stop falsely accusing me of posting opinion as fact

Offline Robittybob1

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7624 on: September 17, 2020, 12:19:16 PM »
And therefore I'm free to post it....and perhaps gunit should stop falsely accusing me of posting opinion as fact
Opinion as fact would have to be something like saying something without any reference to yourself.
Like saying "it is a fact" when it actually is something  that you are just "absolutely certain of" and you are not aware of a cite which backs your claim.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7625 on: September 17, 2020, 12:20:48 PM »
Opinion as fact would have to be something like saying something without any reference to yourself.
Like saying "it is a fact" when it actually is something  that you are just "absolutely certain of" and you are not aware of a cite which backs your claim.

You don't need to expalin anything to me...it seems its gunit and kizzy who don't understand

Offline Robittybob1

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7626 on: September 17, 2020, 12:44:17 PM »
You don't need to expalin anything to me...it seems its gunit and kizzy who don't understand
Hopefully I've explained it correctly and they read my reply to your post.   I think you understand it OK.  It has taken me a while to understand the finer points of it.  There are so many ways things can be expressed it gets totally tricky to judge as a moderator.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2020, 12:51:49 PM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7627 on: September 17, 2020, 05:37:16 PM »
According to the Sun CB’s lawyer met with Amaral on his visit to Portugal.   I can’t see what help Gonc can be to Bruckner unless he’s agreed to sort out an alibi for his client...
^^^ what did I tell you?!  8(>((
« Last Edit: September 17, 2020, 10:22:51 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
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Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7628 on: September 17, 2020, 06:29:01 PM »
Nothing to suggest anything to with Madeleine then.


SICK PIC HUNT Madeleine McCann cops dug up suspect Christian B’s allotment hunting for sick pics he may have buried, cop reveals

That dig stemmed from an investigation into the disappearance of a five-year-old girl during which child porn was found when cops searched a farm house.

"With regard to the excavations in Hanover, I would therefore only like to add that the search was not based on a current, specific indication, but rather the result of routine investigative work.

"So there was no specific search for something special. Rather, as part of the investigation, all places where the accused had stayed for a long time were checked for the presence of any evidence.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12694929/madeleine-mccann-dug-up-christian-b-hunting-pics/
« Last Edit: September 17, 2020, 06:31:45 PM by barrier »
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Offline jassi

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7629 on: September 17, 2020, 07:40:22 PM »
^^^ what dd I tell you?!  8(>((

I'm sure its all quite deserved .
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Carana

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7630 on: September 18, 2020, 01:27:58 AM »
I knew I vaguely remembered something about a van seen near where Joana disappeared.

'Disturbing Similarities' With Madeleine

12:48pm UK, Monday May 12, 2008
Alex Watts, Sky News Online

The family of a girl who vanished just seven miles from the Portuguese resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared are convinced the cases are connected.


Joana was last seen near church

On the day of Madeleine's fifth birthday, Joana Cipriano's relatives have urged detectives to investigate links between the two disappearances - saying there are too many disturbing similarities for the evidence to be ignored.

Joana, eight, was sent to buy some groceries from a village store near her home in Figueira, at around 8pm on September 12, 2004.

She bought a tin of tuna and some milk from the Ofelia store, and was last seen by a neighbour walking back near the village church, some 200 yards from her home.

Joana never returned and, like the McCanns, her mother Leonor mounted a campaign to find her. Like them, she and her brother Joao became suspects.

The case, which ended with the pair being sentenced to 21 years, made Portuguese legal history - it was the first murder trial where a body was never found.

Police officers are due to go on trial later this year for allegedly beating and torturing Leonor to make her confess.

Joana's relatives told Sky News Online the pair are innocent and believe whoever took the girl is also behind Madeleine's disappearance, seven miles away in Praia da Luz.

The family, who do not want to be named, said: "This sort of thing doesn't happen in Portugal - child abductions are very rare.

"Whoever took Joana took Madeleine too, the distance is too small. And the police ignored everything we told them, they just wanted to solve the case quickly.

"They didn't look at any of the things we told them about."

They said the most crucial bit of evidence was a white and brown camper van, parked near Joana's home in the days before she was abducted.

The vehicle, with German number plates, disappeared around the time she vanished.

They added: "There was a man living in there, but he hardly left the van. A week later the van was found abandoned in farmland in Praia da Luz. We told the police to investigate it, but they didn't listen to us."

She said the man had short, curly brown hair and was about 40 years old.

A suspect in the Madeleine case, spotted acting suspiciously near the apartment where she vanished on May 3 last year, was described as between 35 and 40, with long, straggly hair.

Criminologist and child protection expert Mark Williams-Thomas believes there are far too many similarities between the two cases for it not to be a strong line of police inquiry.

He says that because of the huge doubts over the Cipriano convictions, whoever abducted Joana is more than likely to be behind Madeleine's disappearance.

Like Madeleine's case, the police investigation got off to a bad start, with officers failing to seal off the house where she was last seen.

Leonor alleges police beat her to make her confess. A photograph of her heavily-bruised face was published in Portuguese newspapers.

Goncalo Amaral, a senior detective who was sacked from the Madeleine case, is one of the five officers charged in connection with extracting the confession.

The indictment reportedly alleges that they kicked her, hit her with a cardboard tube, put a plastic bag over her head, and made her kneel on glass ashtrays.

Amaral faces charges of negligence and perjury, another officer is accused of fabricating a document, and the three others are charged with torture

https://themaddiecasefiles.com/disturbing-similarities-with-madeleine-sky-12-05-0-t7551.html

Offline The General

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7631 on: September 18, 2020, 08:04:19 AM »
Nothing to suggest anything to with Madeleine then.


SICK PIC HUNT Madeleine McCann cops dug up suspect Christian B’s allotment hunting for sick pics he may have buried, cop reveals

That dig stemmed from an investigation into the disappearance of a five-year-old girl during which child porn was found when cops searched a farm house.

"With regard to the excavations in Hanover, I would therefore only like to add that the search was not based on a current, specific indication, but rather the result of routine investigative work.

"So there was no specific search for something special. Rather, as part of the investigation, all places where the accused had stayed for a long time were checked for the presence of any evidence.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12694929/madeleine-mccann-dug-up-christian-b-hunting-pics/
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7632 on: September 18, 2020, 08:09:02 AM »
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not for me...everything thats happenening fits. if you read the article ...it is the  sun so has to be taken carefully......but it seems to me they dug as  aresult oif finding buried memeory sticks in another place. why would they take on such  amassive dig....only if the prevuious found memory sticks had revealed concrete evidence...imo

Offline The General

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7633 on: September 18, 2020, 08:18:35 AM »
not for me...everything thats happenening fits. if you read the article ...it is the  sun so has to be taken carefully......but it seems to me they dug as  aresult oif finding buried memeory sticks in another place. why would they take on such  amassive dig....only if the prevuious found memory sticks had revealed concrete evidence...imo
Because it's part of a much larger piece of work, trying to dismantle a network of nonces. Do you really think they would expend such unprecedented resources on one sex case who they've already got locked up?
No, he's the sprat; the mackerel is a Europe wide paedophile ring.
At least the Germans seem to be unrestrained in smashing these filthy monsters, whereas here in the UK there are too many with a vested interest in any of it being brought out of the fog.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #7634 on: September 18, 2020, 08:21:23 AM »
Because it's part of a much larger piece of work, trying to dismantle a network of nonces. Do you really think they would expend such unprecedented resources on one sex case who they've already got locked up?
No, he's the sprat; the mackerel is a Europe wide paedophile ring.
At least the Germans seem to be unrestrained in smashing these filthy monsters, whereas here in the UK there are too many with a vested interest in any of it being brought out of the fog.
....when moonwalking always keep the sliding foot flat - that's the key.
Tin foil hats ahoy!
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