New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[Robittybob1]

Which is what exactly?

I was rather looking forward to a response from Barrier which as far as queries made by me are concerned would be a rather unique event.

Which is what the PJ thought they could find?  Or did they know more than they are letting on?

[Robittybob1]

Of course German law will be applicable in Germany just as Ney will face prosecution in France under French Law, the outcome of which may indeed be why all is presently 'quiet on the Western Front" as far as Brueckner's case is concerned.

Do you know enough about German Law to determine whether or not there is an equivalent protocol to the Scottish Moorov doctrine accepted there?

I haven't even attempted to understand German Law. 

[Brietta]

Which is what the PJ thought they could find?  Or did they know more than they are letting on?

I have no idea at all what the PJ reasoning of the time was but the forensic results recorded in the files have been published on the internet and I would really like to know where members are getting their information from which enables posts referring to "the girl's" DNA.

[Brietta]

I haven't even attempted to understand German Law.

I'm not even thinking of going there.  Best left to the expertise of the German prosecutors and defence who I am sure will know their business so much better than us; we'll just have to wait to see where they take it, if anywhere.

[Robittybob1]

I have no idea at all what the PJ reasoning of the time was but the forensic results recorded in the files have been published on the internet and I would really like to know where members are getting their information from which enables posts referring to "the girl's" DNA.

Don't those results refer to Madeleine McCann?  I thought they all did.  In other words they are "referring to "the girl's" DNA".
Here is just one example "
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2615 to 2616 Letter dated 11 September regarding FSS report received by PJ on on 4 September from Leicester Police, citing 15/19 matches of Madeleine DNA profile"
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELEINES_DNA.htm

from the FSS report:
"There is no evidence to support the view that Madeline MCCann contributed DNA to the swab 3B.

A complex LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section 286C 2007 CRL10 (2) area 2. Within the DNA profile of Madeline McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. At one of the areas of DNA we routinely examine Madeleine has inherited the same DNA component from both parents; this appears therefore as 1 peak rather than 2, hence 19 rather than 20. Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37 components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contributors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion."

[Brietta]

Don't those results refer to Madeleine McCann?  I thought they all did.  In other words they are "referring to "the girl's" DNA".
Here is just one example "
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2615 to 2616 Letter dated 11 September regarding FSS report received by PJ on on 4 September from Leicester Police, citing 15/19 matches of Madeleine DNA profile"
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELEINES_DNA.htm

from the FSS report:
"There is no evidence to support the view that Madeline MCCann contributed DNA to the swab 3B.

A complex LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section 286C 2007 CRL10 (2) area 2. Within the DNA profile of Madeline McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. At one of the areas of DNA we routinely examine Madeleine has inherited the same DNA component from both parents; this appears therefore as 1 peak rather than 2, hence 19 rather than 20. Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37 components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contributors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion."

I'm not too sure where you are coming from regarding this Rob since you are perfectly aware of the situation regarding Madeleine's DNA and the Scenic http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg639136#msg639136 and the conclusion Barrier has chosen to adopt apropos Christian Brueckner.

[Robittybob1]

I'm not too sure where you are coming from regarding this Rob since you are perfectly aware of the situation regarding Madeleine's DNA and the Scenic http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg639136#msg639136 and the conclusion Barrier has chosen to adopt apropos Christian Brueckner.

No, I am not aware of this. 

[Brietta]

No, I am not aware of this.

? ? Rob ~ you posted "Was it the inconclusive DNA results from the hire car http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg639136#msg639136 so how on earth do you now contend to be unaware of the situation regarding Madeleine's DNA and the Scenic which you have very recently posted about?

[barrier]

Of course German law will be applicable in Germany just as Ney will face prosecution in France under French Law, the outcome of which may indeed be why all is presently 'quiet on the Western Front" as far as Brueckner's case is concerned.

You've raised an interesting point, who has primacy for Ney a German killing a French citizen in France? obvious answer one can conclude would be France ,because he's been extradited to France and been charged, now apply that to the Madeleine case, if and its the biggest if ever, they were to find evidence to take to a court and charge CB which country would have primacy, a brit disappears in Portugal at the hand's of a German what a conundrum, who would want the glory or the poisoned chalice.

[Robittybob1]

? ? Rob ~ you posted "Was it the inconclusive DNA results from the hire car http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg639136#msg639136 so how on earth do you now contend to be unaware of the situation regarding Madeleine's DNA and the Scenic which you have very recently posted about?

It was the " and the conclusion Barrier has chosen to adopt apropos Christian Brueckner" bit I'm not aware of.

[Brietta]

It was the " and the conclusion Barrier has chosen to adopt apropos Christian Brueckner" bit I'm not aware of.

Precisely ~ and until Barrier choses to clarify the situation you are not the only one.  He has been asked so at the moment the ball is in his court as we await a response with interest.

[jassi]

You've raised an interesting point, who has primacy for Ney a German killing a French citizen in France? obvious answer one can conclude would be France ,because he's been extradited to France and been charged, now apply that to the Madeleine case, if and its the biggest if ever, they were to find evidence to take to a court and charge CB which country would have primacy, a brit disappears in Portugal at the hand's of a German what a conundrum, who would want the glory or the poisoned chalice.

Might all depend on who was interested.

In Ney's case the Germans are maybe not interested because the French are willing to prosecute, whereas in Brueckners' case, the Germans prosecuted him for rape in another country because the Portuguese couldn't, or wouldn't prosecute him.

If Brueckner  ever faces any charge over Madeleine, Portugal would have 'first dibs' as the crime occurred there.

IMO

[Brietta]

You've raised an interesting point, who has primacy for Ney a German killing a French citizen in France? obvious answer one can conclude would be France ,because he's been extradited to France and been charged, now apply that to the Madeleine case, if and its the biggest if ever, they were to find evidence to take to a court and charge CB which country would have primacy, a brit disappears in Portugal at the hand's of a German what a conundrum, who would want the glory or the poisoned chalice.

Neither the German judicial system or the French appear to suffer from the angst of deciding 'glory' or 'poison' as they go about attempting to dispense evidence based justice.
In my opinion both investigative countries are just adopting the protocols in existence as they reflect the current individual situations of Ney and Brueckner.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Might all depend on who was interested.

In Ney's case the Germans are maybe not interested because the French are willing to prosecute, whereas in Brueckners' case, the Germans prosecuted him for rape in another country because the Portuguese couldn't, or wouldn't prosecute him.

If Brueckner  ever faces any charge over Madeleine, Portugal would have 'first dibs' as the crime occurred there.

IMO

In which case the likelihood of Madeleine ever receiving justice are virtually nil, IMO.

[Brietta]

Might all depend on who was interested.

In Ney's case the Germans are maybe not interested because the French are willing to prosecute, whereas in Brueckners' case, the Germans prosecuted him for rape in another country because the Portuguese couldn't, or wouldn't prosecute him.

If Brueckner  ever faces any charge over Madeleine, Portugal would have 'first dibs' as the crime occurred there.

IMO

I think any action taken might be decided on the statutes of limitations in force in a particular country.