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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4890 on: November 29, 2023, 09:22:22 AM »
Who’s “logical reason” is in question

Scammer Sandra Lean from p.223 of her 2nd innocence fraud book;

It is also curious that the same story – of an article of clothing going missing and being “replaced” after the murder - re-emerged at trial.
Amongst all of this confusion and lack of logical reasoning….….


Again Rosemary Walsh gave her 1st police witness statement on the 8th July 2003 in which she told the police she had seen killer Luke Mitchell wearing a parka jacket.

According to Sandra Lean, the replacement parka jacket was not bought until the 9th July 2003 from FLIP

How could Rosemary Walsh have known about the replacement parka jacket?

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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4891 on: November 29, 2023, 09:30:35 AM »
Who’s “logical reason” is in question

Scammer Sandra Lean fro p.223 of her 2nd innocence fraud book;

It is also curious that the same story – of an article of clothing going missing and being “replaced” after the murder - re-emerged at trial.
Amongst all of this confusion and lack of logical reasoning….


Again Rosemary Walsh gave her 1st police witness statement on the 8th July 2003 in which she told the police she had seen killer Luke Mitchell wearing a parka jacket.

According to Sandra Lean, the replacement parka jacket was not bought until the 9th July 2003 from FLIP

How could Rosemary Walsh have known about the replacement parka jacket?

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Didn’t see identify the parka simply because of the length. Andrina Bryson definitely didn’t identify as such.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4892 on: November 29, 2023, 09:35:51 AM »

Didn’t see identify the parka simply because of the length. Andrina Bryson definitely didn’t identify as such.

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She did!
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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4893 on: November 29, 2023, 10:53:42 AM »
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She did!

So not a positive identification  then.

“I only say a parka because of the length”.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4894 on: November 29, 2023, 11:19:24 AM »
So not a positive identification  then.

“I only say a parka because of the length”.

Rosemary Walsh referred to killer Luke Mitchell’s jacket as a “parka” - can’t get more positive than that!


8th July 2003 - “If I was to describe what type of jacket, I’d say a parka[/i]”
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4895 on: November 29, 2023, 11:37:21 AM »
The dock identification - why the omission from Innocents betrayed?”
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https://lmtranscriptdiscussion.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-dock-identification-why-omission.html?m=1
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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4896 on: November 29, 2023, 11:37:40 AM »
Rosemary Walsh referred to killer Luke Mitchell’s jacket as a “parka” - can’t get more positive than that!

‘But only because of the length’

Hardly definitive.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4897 on: November 29, 2023, 11:38:44 AM »
‘But only because of the length’

Hardly definitive.

It hasn’t been able to be discredited for 21 years - that’s how “definitive” it was!
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Offline James_Easton

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4898 on: November 29, 2023, 11:52:00 AM »
Kudos to those, only recently becoming aware that trial transcripts were actually available and could be posted online, despite Sandra Lean's vehement assertions, for many years, otherwise, plus paying for them, as opposed to reliance on unsubstantiated, published claims. This ongoing research support is exceptional, revealing and perhaps expectantly more to follow, as there are, naturally, considerable endeavours involved in making trial transcripts easily accessible, to all of us.

https://lmtranscriptdiscussion.blogspot.com/?m=1


Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4899 on: November 29, 2023, 11:58:53 AM »
Kudos to those, only recently becoming aware that trial transcripts were actually available and could be posted online, despite Sandra Lean's vehement assertions, for many years, otherwise, plus paying for them

Have you considered that other people may well already have copies of some of the trial transcripts?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4900 on: November 29, 2023, 12:02:40 PM »
So Andrew Holburn described sadistic killer Luke Mitchell as wearing something like what he had seen in the window of FLIP

Andrew Holburn was the young man who did not know killer Luke Mitchell

Andrew Holburn

"Luke was wearing dark blue baggy jeans and a dark green shirt

"It was definitely, definitely a shirt, not a jacket

"I think it was buttoned-up but I couldn't see anything underneath it

"It was about down to the waist of his jeans and baggy

"I might have seen a shirt like in the window of Flip, it's a boardy punk shop up the bridges


https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
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Offline Nicholas

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« Reply #4901 on: November 29, 2023, 12:14:00 PM »
This ongoing research support is exceptional

The jury heard the testimony contained in the trial transcripts currently being published in 2004/05

Do you think the jury did “exceptional” ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4902 on: November 29, 2023, 02:51:24 PM »
From 'Innocents Betrayed':

"Quotes scribbled on his school jotters were held up as examples of his warped interests, Satanism being one of them...

In 2007, the Frontline documentary exposed the truth – the “sinister quotes” were, in fact, lines from popular computer games and songs".

A significant omission here, is that one phrase reportedly scribbled on Luke Mitchel's school jotter cover, was 'Satan, master lead us into hell', which matches the exact lyric from a song by 'Infernäl Mäjesty'.

If associated, the full lyrics are strikingly macabre and chilling.

Not exactly just the 'line from a popular song...'.

Perhaps this is closer to, "exposed the truth"?

https://www.streetdirectory.com/lyricadvisor/song/ujlppp/none_shall_defy/

On 6th May 2023 you stated on one of the cult-like Facebook groups;


James Easton
I have only just become aware, that Luke's school book covers, were cited as evidence by the prosecution.
That's my school book cover right there...
My covers featured quotes such as:
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law".
(Aleister Crowley)
"Dead babies can't take things off the shelf".
(Alice Cooper)
"Come to the Sabbath
Satan's there".
(Black Sabbath)
We were all fixated by Crowley and our Bible was the seminal, 'Magic: An Occult Primer', by David Conway.
Us and countless other adolescents of our 1970s generation.
No one that I personally recall, was resultantly inspired to carry out a frenzied, maniacal murder, what seems to have been the insinuation regarding Luke.
My covers were also also adorned with pentagrams and goodness knows what other occult paraphernalia - macabre skulls were all the rage and you had kudos if the lettering was in 3D.
It is frustrating that this perspective and context does not appear to have been highlighted in Luke's defence.



Had you seen the 'Infernäl Mäjesty' lyrics before?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4903 on: November 29, 2023, 02:59:50 PM »
I have seen some of the trial transcripts, continually being obtained, at their own expense, by prominent supporters regarding a potential miscarriage of justice and simply wish the facts to be fully open, rather than a selective publication, often bearing a preconceived agenda.

What do you mean by “prominent supporters”?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4904 on: November 29, 2023, 03:11:49 PM »
From 'Innocents Betrayed':

"Quotes scribbled on his school jotters were held up as examples of his warped interests, Satanism being one of them...

In 2007, the Frontline documentary exposed the truth – the “sinister quotes” were, in fact, lines from popular computer games and songs".

A significant omission here, is that one phrase reportedly scribbled on Luke Mitchel's school jotter cover, was 'Satan, master lead us into hell', which matches the exact lyric from a song by 'Infernäl Mäjesty'.

If associated, the full lyrics are strikingly macabre and chilling.

Not exactly just the 'line from a popular song...'.

Perhaps this is closer to, "exposed the truth"?

https://www.streetdirectory.com/lyricadvisor/song/ujlppp/none_shall_defy/

You also stated on the same Facebook group on 25th June 2023



James Easton
Remind me, what century was Luke's trial...
It appears that Luke was not the only person locally, to have maintained their innocence and would not confess to an accused crime
"Issobell Fergussone, who was married and lived in Newbattle, was pricked by a professional witch pricker in July 1661. She maintained her innocence and denied all accusations against her.
It seems that she asked to be pricked, probably to prove her innocence".
Alas, to no avail...
"However, the witch pricker was successful in finding the Devil’s mark and she subsequently confessed to a pact and interactions with the Devil. She was tried in August 1661 and eventually executed".
Noted is the following 'NME' extract:
MARILYN MANSON DVD PLAYED IN MURDER TRIAL
NME
24th December, 2004
MARILYN MANSON’s DVD ‘THE GOLDEN AGE OF GROTESQUE’ was played in court yesterday (December 23) in the trial of a teenager accused of murdering schoolgirl JODI JONES.
The DVD – which shows two girls tied together near a track and struggling as hoods were placed over their heads – was seized by police from the home of Luke Mitchell, 16, who denies murdering Jodi on June 30 last year.
He told detectives he bought the DVD two days after 14-year-old Jodi’s naked and bloodstained body was found in woods near her home in Dalkeith, near Edinburgh.
The High Court in Edinburgh was told that during the police interview on July 4 last year Mitchell also chatted about his musical interests, including Marilyn Manson.
(...)
He told Detective Constable Stephen Quinn: “It is a weird sort of gothic video.”
Mitchell described the contents as “trancestyle”, with Manson “saying random words and stuff” over film of a car driving down a road in the middle of the night.
Prosecutor Alan Turnbull QC asked for the first 10 minutes of the DVD to be played.
The jury heard repetitive music and lyrics such as “stop rehearsing alcohol and start performing narcotics” and “the only thing that is immortal in this world is money”.
Mr Turnbull asked the detective if the contents did include, as Mitchell had said, a car driving down the road in the middle of the night, and DC Quinn agreed.
“The portion we watched also seemed to include a number of flash images. In some there seemed to be a young girl who is naked.”
The detective replied: “It seemed to be like that, yes.” He also agreed that in some images the girl appeared to be lying on the ground.
Mr Turnbull described how occupants got out of a car after seeing two struggling women wearing corsets, which made them seem to be naked and tied together. Hoods or bags were then put over the women’s heads as they struggled.
“The girls were to some extent molested and carried away,” said Mr Turnbull, and DC Quinn agreed.
(...)
(End of extract)
This was cited as meaningful evidence of Luke's guilt.
How pivotal though, was it?
Profoundly significant, it would seem. From  'Scotsman' case article, dated 14 February, 2005:
_I did not inspire Jodi's killer, says rock star Marilyn Manson_
(...)
The schoolgirl’s death and her injuries bore similarities to the gruesome "Black Dahlia" murder of 1940s Hollywood actress Elizabeth Short.
Paintings by Manson depicting the mutilated body of the murdered actress were shown to the jury during the schoolboy’s trial.
Detectives believed the woman’s murder was the inspiration for Jodi’s killing after it emerged Mitchell was an avid fan of Manson.
Lord Nimmo Smith, the trial judge at the High Court in Edinburgh, said he believed Mitchell had carried an image of those paintings in his mind when he killed Jodi.
(...)
Nor could the boy’s obsession with Satanism be dismissed as "mere adolescent rebellion", the judge added.
"I think that is a sign that you found evil attractive and that you thought that there might be a kind of perverted glamour in doing something wicked," he said.
"I do not feel able to ignore the fact that there was a degree of resemblance between the injuries inflicted on Jodi and those shown in the Marilyn Manson paintings of Elizabeth Short that we saw.
"I think that you carried an image of the paintings in your memory when you killed Jodi," the judge said.
(End of extract)
There was an existing, powerful agenda, against which, in 1661, Issobell Fergussone, from Newbattle, stood no chance.
Over 3 centuries later... might it seem that 'spawn of satan' and 'devil's child' assertions were elemental in Luke's trial and equally had zero, substantiate evidence whatsoever...



What does Issobell Fergussone have to do with sadistic murderer and psychopath Luke Mitchell?

And do you remain of this viewpoint?

If not what has changed?
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