Maddie Basta de Mentiras

[Mr Gray]

I've read his book twice and watched the video. I think he gets closer to an answer than OG ever did, in my opinion. I'm sure I didn't agree with all his book, but I don't recall anything standing out as "fantasy". As for the dog alerts I think it is fanciful to suggest that Eddie was not alerting to what he's been trained to alert to. Furthermore Keela also alerted in some of the same areas and as we know forensic evidence (blood, in my opinion) was collected and examined by the FSS. As you know the results were "inconclusive", but Eddie and Keela certainly did what they are trained to do.

So you agree with Amaral that the alerts confirm a death in 5a That's, fantasy.
Amarals claims are not based on evidence... If you think hes right you are, sadly mistsken. Imo

I think the Germans have evidence thst make the alerts and dna totally irrelevant ...same goes for the dogs.

[Vertigo Swirl]

That the result was "inconclusive" . 15 of Madeleine's DNA markers were identified in some samples, but there were at least two other contributors (I wonder who?).... Science moves on... and we already have Dr Purlin claim he can make sense of the raw data if allowed to examine the results.

Didn’t the scientists say the sample could as well as coming from Madeleine also have come from most of the people in the lab?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I've read his book twice and watched the video. I think he gets closer to an answer than OG ever did, in my opinion. I'm sure I didn't agree with all his book, but I don't recall anything standing out as "fantasy". As for the dog alerts I think it is fanciful to suggest that Eddie was not alerting to what he's been trained to alert to. Furthermore Keela also alerted in some of the same areas and as we know forensic evidence (blood, in my opinion) was collected and examined by the FSS. As you know the results were "inconclusive", but Eddie and Keela certainly did what they are trained to do.

So how do you think Madeleine died?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

So you agree with Amaral that the alerts confirm a death in 5a That's, fantasy.
Amarals claims are not based on evidence... If you think hes right you are, sadly mistsken. Imo

I think the Germans have evidence thst make the alerts and dna totally irrelevant ...same goes for the dogs.

The Germans appear to have nothing but circumstantial evidence. Can you imagine how the parents must be feeling about this situation (should it be true)? It's been over a year of the German Prosecutor claiming CB killed Madeleine and still no charges. How long are you going to give them? The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The Germans appear to have nothing but circumstantial evidence. Can you imagine how the parents must be feeling about this situation (should it be true)? It's been over a year of the German Prosecutor claiming CB killed Madeleine and still no charges. How long are you going to give them? The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found.

So even if it’s proven that CB abducted Madeleine McCann alive from her bedroom, it would be fanciful and unscientific to suggest that the dogs were wrong?

[Mr Gray]

The Germans appear to have nothing but circumstantial evidence. Can you imagine how the parents must be feeling about this situation (should it be true)? It's been over a year of the German Prosecutor claiming CB killed Madeleine and still no charges. How long are you going to give them? The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found.

I'm sure you are wrong about the Germans.. The latest from. Wolyers is he has enough to charge but he thinks he can find more so is in no rush.

As for the dogs I'm a total sceptic.  There's no doubt they csn find cadavers but imo.. Bssed on s lot of reading... I think Grime called alert when there was none.. Repeatedly calling the dogs back to encourage an slert.

It was actually Harrison who came up with the idea of the alerrtd as intelligence I'm 2005 and grime eas helping develop it.  Grime hoped to make money out of using the alerts as intelligence.. He hoped to launch a business but it didn't seem to catch on

I don't accept the reason fir the alerts has been established.. No proof at all

[Brietta]

The Germans appear to have nothing but circumstantial evidence. Can you imagine how the parents must be feeling about this situation (should it be true)? It's been over a year of the German Prosecutor claiming CB killed Madeleine and still no charges. How long are you going to give them? The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found.

Thankfully I have never been through anything approaching the trauma suffered by the parents of a missing child.

You have taken it upon yourself to make comparison between an investigation such as the German one seeking to solve Madeleine's fate and the Portuguese one which abrogated the responsibility of looking for a missing child to concentrate all efforts on prosecuting the parents instead.

So obsessive has this notion become that fourteen+ years after the event the case coordinator continues with yet another book insisting on his idea of events - despite a there being not a shred of supporting evidence.

"Maddie: Basta de Mentiras!" is Gonçalo Amaral's latest book about the disappearance of the English girl in Praia da Luz in May 2007. Former PJ inspector continues to suspect the involvement of parents in the case.
https://magg.sapo.pt/atualidade/atualidade-nacional/artigos/goncalo-amaral-lanca-livro-sobre-maddie-vao-acusar-o-homem-sem-provas-diz-sobre-christian-b

"Can you imagine how the parents must be feeling about this situation?"

[Brietta]

The Germans appear to have nothing but circumstantial evidence. Can you imagine how the parents must be feeling about this situation (should it be true)? It's been over a year of the German Prosecutor claiming CB killed Madeleine and still no charges. How long are you going to give them? The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found.

The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. - You haven't a clue what the 'alerts' signified.

Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. - who apart from you claim that the dogs alerted randomly? and what do you think is "unscientific" about opinion on dog alerts?

The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found. - was any forensic evidence recovered which indicated Madeleine had been killed either as the result of an accident or as a result of foul play

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Didn’t the scientists say the sample could as well as coming from Madeleine also have come from most of the people in the lab?

Yes with one sample because it contained DNA from at least three people. Dr Purlin has offered to make sense of the data. He believes he can separate out the three (or more) contributors. I would hope anyone with an interest in this case would like to see that happen.

So do you believe Eddie was always alerting to blood and not cadaverine?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

So how do you think Madeleine died?

Like everyone else I have no idea. There are a number of possibilities including an accidental fall onto a hard surface.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

So even if it’s proven that CB abducted Madeleine McCann alive from her bedroom, it would be fanciful and unscientific to suggest that the dogs were wrong?

In that scenario there would be a forensic and scientific reason for the alerts. It wouldn't be the case that the alerts were to dirty nappies or rotten cooked meat, for example.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. - You haven't a clue what the 'alerts' signified.

Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. - who apart from you claim that the dogs alerted randomly? and what do you think is "unscientific" about opinion on dog alerts?

The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found. - was any forensic evidence recovered which indicated Madeleine had been killed either as the result of an accident or as a result of foul play

Peer reviewed forensic science research (previously linked on this forum) reports that cadaver dogs have an efficacy of detecting cadaver odour of at least 92%. The dogs are trained to alert to cadaverine and human blood. I believe it is reasonable to suggest that is what they were alerting to in the apartment. Furthermore we know that samples were collected where the dogs alerted.

The British FSS stated the results were "inconclusive" as to whether the DNA collected from areas where the dogs alerted could be attributed to Madeleine McCann.

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[Vertigo Swirl]

Like everyone else I have no idea. There are a number of possibilities including an accidental fall onto a hard surface.

No, the possibilities are surely limited to something which caused her to bleed significantly surely, if you're convinced the dog alerted to her blood?  So, not drowning, not electrocution, not accidental overdose, not strangulation, etc/.

[barrier]

No, the possibilities are surely limited to something which caused her to bleed significantly surely, if you're convinced the dog alerted to her blood?  So, not drowning, not electrocution, not accidental overdose, not strangulation, etc/.

How much blood is required for a dog to alert to ?