Any news on JB's 2025 CCRC application?

[Joe Blogs]

Maybe's, possibly's and perhaps's won't cut the mustard, Joe, it's all theory. The best you can say re the Aga causing the burns is "IF" -and here I'm prepared to add one of my own! "IF" they were burns caused by the Aga, it doesn't mean JB is innocent. An unsafe conviction doesn't make him innocent, either. Are you happy with the idea of a convicted murderer being free on maybe's, may haves, possibly's and perhaps's?

Well as I have just said, April, I dont quite see how the CT theory that the police moved Nevill from the Aga to the scuttle upon entry proves JBs innocence!
Not sure what their plan is!
If it was me, I would be adament about two things, one that no one moved Nevill upon entry and two, the Aga burned Nevills back, which should prove JBs innocence in my opinion!

[Joe Blogs]

No idea.  How about you answer my question first though which was why the burns on his back mean Bamber couldn?t have been responsible for them?

Please read reply 59, Vertigo, that may answer some of your questions!

[Joe Blogs]

You see, its the time needed for the Aga to cause the burns, the time!!
Completely changes everything, completely!!!

[APRIL]

Please read reply 59, Vertigo, that may answer some of your questions!

I expect you know that for this exercise to be an experiment, not only must it be done using like for like, it must also be done at the same temperature, and repeated many times before it can be considered as established fact. It isn't even known if the Bamber's Aga was on. Come to think of it, it's never been categorically established that the marks on Nevill's back are burns. As you know, I've taken measurements of all protruding parts of our Aga. Because some stand proud of others, unless, like Boyce's stooge, someone forces themselves against it, they can't be in contact with all the parts which protrude. An unconscious body would be limp.

I have no idea what the marks are. It's not even clear that they were made that night. Reddened areas could denote a skin condition? I don't go with a heated rifle barrel.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You see, its the time needed for the Aga to cause the burns, the time!!
Completely changes everything, completely!!!

How long does it take Aga knobs to cause burn marks then and how was this ascertained?  When was it confirmed the burns were caused by Aga knobs anyway?

[Joe Blogs]

I expect you know that for this exercise to be an experiment, not only must it be done using like for like, it must also be done at the same temperature, and repeated many times before it can be considered as established fact. It isn't even known if the Bamber's Aga was on. Come to think of it, it's never been categorically established that the marks on Nevill's back are burns. As you know, I've taken measurements of all protruding parts of our Aga. Because some stand proud of others, unless, like Boyce's stooge, someone forces themselves against it, they can't be in contact with all the parts which protrude. An unconscious body would be limp.

I have no idea what the marks are. It's not even clear that they were made that night. Reddened areas could denote a skin condition? I don't go with a heated rifle barrel.

Thanks, April!
But as I said, the non believers shall we say, are simply denying the inevitable as far as the Aga evidence is concerned!

[APRIL]

Thanks, April!
But as I said, the non believers shall we say, are simply denying the inevitable as far as the Aga evidence is concerned!

As opposed to supporters -or maybe just you?- clutching at it as if it's last chance saloon?

[Joe Blogs]

As opposed to supporters -or maybe just you?- clutching at it as if it's last chance saloon?

Ha ha! Yes, April, it probably is last chance saloon for JB!
Well the whole current submission that is! Not just the Aga evidence!

[Joe Blogs]

How long does it take Aga knobs to cause burn marks then and how was this ascertained?  When was it confirmed the burns were caused by Aga knobs anyway?

Nothing is confirmed regarding the Aga evidence as far as we know, Vertigo!
It is still in the hands of the CCRC!
Boyce suggests it would have taken hours rather than minutes for the marks to form!

[adam]

I expect you know that for this exercise to be an experiment, not only must it be done using like for like, it must also be done at the same temperature, and repeated many times before it can be considered as established fact. It isn't even known if the Bamber's Aga was on. Come to think of it, it's never been categorically established that the marks on Nevill's back are burns. As you know, I've taken measurements of all protruding parts of our Aga. Because some stand proud of others, unless, like Boyce's stooge, someone forces themselves against it, they can't be in contact with all the parts which protrude. An unconscious body would be limp.

I have no idea what the marks are. It's not even clear that they were made that night. Reddened areas could denote a skin condition? I don't go with a heated rifle barrel.

Several experts say they are burns.

Bamber's 2012 and 2021 CCRC submissions were on the basis that they are burns.

[adam]

Well as I have just said, April, I dont quite see how the CT theory that the police moved Nevill from the Aga to the scuttle upon entry proves JBs innocence!
Not sure what their plan is!
If it was me, I would be adament about two things, one that no one moved Nevill upon entry and two, the Aga burned Nevills back, which should prove JBs innocence in my opinion!

It does not prove his innocence.

But it would show the raid team and EP lied in there WS's when saying Nevill was on the coal scuttle.

The CT can then ask what else has the raid team and EP lied about.

[The General]

One knob, which looks like metal to me, and two other parts which are not designed to be handled, General!
Why couldn't Sheila bash Nevill on the head with the rifle? You talk as if she was completely immobile, no weight lifting champion but i'm sure she could swing a rifle in a psychotic state surely? One unexpected blow and Nevill was out cold with a fractured skull. No problem whatsoever!

There's no way that little slip of a thing was capable of mustering the leverage and swing force required to render Nevil unconscious, not even taken unawares. Not a chance. Ever.
And that's also irrelevant anyway, as that's not what happened. In the life and death struggle across two floors and down the stairs, Nevil put up extreme resistance, despite being mortally wounded. Bamber used everything at his disposal to eventually subdue him and dispatch him, including using the butt of the rifle to batter him.

If Essex Police weren't so institutionally, criminally inept we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
'Yes, Jeremy, feel free to burn anything you like in the garden'.

[Joe Blogs]

It does not prove his innocence.

But it would show the raid team and EP lied in there WS's when saying Nevill was on the coal scuttle.

The CT can then ask what else has the raid team and EP lied about.

What clear evidence does the CT have that proves Nevill was moved from the Aga to the scuttle upon entry, Adam?

[adam]

What clear evidence does the CT have that proves Nevill was moved from the Aga to the scuttle upon entry, Adam?

They are saying the aga is the proof.

[Joe Blogs]

There's no way that little slip of a thing was capable of mustering the leverage and swing force required to render Nevil unconscious, not even taken unawares. Not a chance. Ever.
And that's also irrelevant anyway, as that's not what happened. In the life and death struggle across two floors and down the stairs, Nevil put up extreme resistance, despite being mortally wounded. Bamber used everything at his disposal to eventually subdue him and dispatch him, including using the butt of the rifle to batter him.

If Essex Police weren't so institutionally, criminally inept we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
'Yes, Jeremy, feel free to burn anything you like in the garden'.

Nevill had two potentially fatal shots to his face and a broken arm by the time he reached the kitchen, General, he gave little or no resistance! No battering was needed, only four head shots to finish him off!
The battering took place earlier on when Nev ended up lying by the Aga!
That was when the rifle was damaged causing part of the stock to break off.