Any news on JB's 2025 CCRC application?

[Myster]

Just to correct all the garbage that Nevill was moved from lying in front of the AGA by the TFU/TFG or any policemen, this is from a statement by A/Ps Peter Woodcock (20th Sept '85), who was one of the first raid team members to enter the kitchen and find Nevill's body perched on a chairback with his head in the scuttle...

[Joe Blogs]

Bamber was not doing any prodding to a standing Nevill.

He recieved 40+ bruises and lacerations to his head, face, arms & torso. Black eyes, a broken nose & his face looked deformed.

The rifle broke and Nevill"s watch smashed and fell off.

Sgt Bernard did say the bible was moved during photos by Cook. This was to show blood underneath.

The reason given for Bamber's back burning by most people is to check for signs of life.

When does the prodding to Nevills arm and the whacking to his shoulders take place in your scenario, Adam?

[adam]

When does the prodding to Nevills arm and the whacking to his shoulders take place in your scenario, Adam?

During the kitchen fight.

It was hitting with great force. You don't get bruises and a smashed, dislodged watch from prodding.

[Joe Blogs]

Just to correct all the garbage that Nevill was moved from lying in front of the AGA by the TFU/TFG or any policemen, this is from a statement by A/Ps Peter Woodcock (20th Sept '85), who was one of the first raid team members to enter the kitchen and find Nevill's body perched on a chairback with his head in the scuttle...

Thanks Myster! So that means Nevill burned his back on the Aga between 12.00-3.00 then, right??

[Myster]

Thanks Myster! So that means Nevill burned his back on the Aga between 12.00-3.00 then, right??

You're obviously incapable of reasoned logical thought.  No-one knows exactly what caused the marks/burns, least of all Boyce and co. with his fudged distances. Discussing such is fruitless too because they might have been the result of the stray red-hot fourth missing casing bouncing of the AGA wall onto his neck or even a minor farm accident occurring during daytime. They weren't crucial evidence in securing a conviction, period.

[Joe Blogs]

You're obviously incapable of reasoned logical thought.  No-one knows exactly what caused the marks/burns, least of all Boyce and co. with his fudged distances. Discussing such is fruitless too because they might have been the result of the stray red-hot fourth missing casing bouncing of the AGA wall onto his neck or even a minor farm accident occurring during daytime. They weren't crucial evidence in securing a conviction, period.

Ha ha! The missing casing bouncing onto Nevills neck then jumping from mark to mark, thats a beauty, Myster!  And what happened after the casing caused the three burns, did it jump off Nevills neck and disintegrate?
That really is the best one yet!
Anyway, the marks may not have been crucial evidence in securing a conviction, but by golly they may well be crucial in securing an acquital !!

[Vertigo Swirl]

Ha ha! The missing casing bouncing onto Nevills neck then jumping from mark to mark, thats a beauty, Myster!  And what happened after the casing caused the three burns, did it jump off Nevills neck and disintegrate?
That really is the best one yet!
Anyway, the marks may not have been crucial evidence in securing a conviction, but by golly they may well be crucial in securing an acquital !!

That’s just not going to happen. Not in this universe anyway.

[Joe Blogs]

That’s just not going to happen. Not in this universe anyway.

So i've been told many times by guilters and supporters alike, Vertigo!
But!!!! Stranger things have happened no doubt!!!

[The General]

So i've been told many times by guilters and supporters alike, Vertigo!
But!!!! Stranger things have happened no doubt!!!

Guilters? Is that what you call people of reasonable mind who know he's been convicted and will die in prison because he's a child killer? Is that the most creative pejorative epithet you could come up with? Is there a whole phalanx of Bamberettes safely locked in their online belief perseverance echo chamber dreaming up fantastic inconguencies to test the proven narrative?
Do you all send him sweaty draws, or do you take turns? You know he'll never crack one out into them, don't you, as they'll be confiscated. So if he writes back telling you he does, he's lying. Again.

[Joe Blogs]

Guilters? Is that what you call people of reasonable mind who know he's been convicted and will die in prison because he's a child killer? Is that the most creative pejorative epithet you could come up with? Is there a whole phalanx of Bamberettes safely locked in their online belief perseverance echo chamber dreaming up fantastic inconguencies to test the proven narrative?
Do you all send him sweaty draws, or do you take turns? You know he'll never crack one out into them, don't you, as they'll be confiscated. So if he writes back telling you he does, he's lying. Again.

You're a character, General!

[Caroline]

Sorry, Caroline, who's 'they' and 'who' wasn't?
Can you expand a little please!

'They' are the POLICE and NEVILL wasn't moved by them! You have exhausted this 'theory' on the blue forum and now you have brought it here for another airing. It's not that guilty supporters are afraid of the Aga theory Snow, it's that they think it's RIDICULOUS and I have expressly told you that on the blue forum many times. You don't seem to get that it IS ONLY a theory and have invested your whole self in it. The whole things rests on the police moving Nevill - not only moving him, but literally perching him on a chair arm, with his head in the coal scuttle. For what reason? Also, he'd have been dead some time by the time the TFG broke into the house, so pray tell how he is still bleeding profusely from his head after being moved? We know he was bleeding profusely because of the large amount of blood that had ran down the side of the coal scuttle and pooled in the floor next to it.

[Joe Blogs]

'They' are the POLICE and NEVILL wasn't moved by them! You have exhausted this 'theory' on the blue forum and now you have brought it here for another airing. It's not that guilty supporters are afraid of the Aga theory Snow, it's that they think it's RIDICULOUS and I have expressly told you that on the blue forum many times. You don't seem to get that it IS ONLY a theory and have invested your whole self in it. The whole things rests on the police moving Nevill - not only moving him, but literally perching him on a chair arm, with his head in the coal scuttle. For what reason? Also, he'd have been dead some time by the time the TFG broke into the house, so pray tell how he is still bleeding profusely from his head after being moved? We know he was bleeding profusely because of the large amount of blood that had ran down the side of the coal scuttle and pooled in the floor next to it.

If truth be told, Caroline, I inadvertently ended up on Red via Twitter, posting about the Luke Mitchell case, but once on Red it was inevitable that sooner or later I would post about Bamber and the burns to Nevills back!

Anyway, for the umpteenth time, Caroline, my Aga burn scenario doesn't include the police moving Nevill from the Aga to the chair/scuttle after they entered the Whitehouse. That is the CT claim!!

[Vertigo Swirl]

If truth be told, Caroline, I inadvertently ended up on Red via Twitter, posting about the Luke Mitchell case, but once on Red it was inevitable that sooner or later I would post about Bamber and the burns to Nevills back!

Anyway, for the umpteenth time, Caroline, my Aga burn scenario doesn't include the police moving Nevill from the Aga to the chair/scuttle after they entered the Whitehouse. That is the CT claim!!

How did he get up there then?

[Joe Blogs]

How did he get up there then?

Ha ha! You're as bad as Caroline, Vertigo!
I presume you mean how did Nevill get up from the Aga and onto the chair/scuttle?
Well I thought I had made that clear in my recent posts, but apparently not!
Oh well, we will have to go through it all again.
OK, firstly the CT scenario, or at least the part of their scenario dealing with the burns to Nevills back.
To be quite honest, I dont really know what the complete CT scenario is anyway.

So, the CT [not me!] believe that Nevill was beaten and shot to death before falling against the Aga around 3.30 on the night of the murders, he lay there burning his back until the police/TFG moved him to the chair/scuttle sometime after entering the Whitehouse at 7.40. OK? Have you got that, Vertigo?

And now, for one more time, this is what I think may have happened!
Nevill is beaten and knocked out by Sheila with the rifle around 12.00 on the night of the murders, Nevill falls against the Aga with fractures to his skull the rifle stock is splintered and cracked at this stage.
Sheila proceeds to kill June and the boys.
Nevill comes to around 3.00 and phones JB before heading upstairs, Sheila shoots him in the face and then the arm and shoulder as he flees back to the kitchen. Sheila follows Nevill and finds him badly injured sitting on a chair, she tries to shoot him in the head but he holds up his one good arm to sheild himself, Seila prods and whacks Nevill with the barrel of the rifle and he finally trips up and falls across the chair and scuttle exhausted!
Now at peace, Sheila shoots Nevill in the head!

So, do you see the difference, Vertigo? The CT have Nevill shot and killed around 3.30 and he falls against the Aga burning his back until the police move him to the chair/scuttle sometime after 7.40.

Alternativelly, I have Nevill simply knocked out while he is lying against the Aga from roughly 12.00-3.00, he then gets up before being shot and stumbling onto the chair/scuttle!

So, CT = Nevill  dead whilst lying against the Aga from 3.30-7.40. [then moved by police to chair/scuttle after entry.

Me =      Nevill alive [but knocked out] whilst lying against the Aga from 12.00-3.00. [then gets up, only to be shot and killed, ending up on the chair/scuttle]

Is that clear, Vertigo?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Ha ha! You're as bad as Caroline, Vertigo!
I presume you mean how did Nevill get up from the Aga and onto the chair/scuttle?
Well I thought I had made that clear in my recent posts, but apparently not!
Oh well, we will have to go through it all again.
OK, firstly the CT scenario, or at least the part of their scenario dealing with the burns to Nevills back.
To be quite honest, I dont really know what the complete CT scenario is anyway.

So, the CT [not me!] believe that Nevill was beaten and shot to death before falling against the Aga around 3.30 on the night of the murders, he lay there burning his back until the police/TFG moved him to the chair/scuttle sometime after entering the Whitehouse at 7.40. OK? Have you got that, Vertigo?

And now, for one more time, this is what I think may have happened!
Nevill is beaten and knocked out by Sheila with the rifle around 12.00 on the night of the murders, Nevill falls against the Aga with fractures to his skull the rifle stock is splintered and cracked at this stage.
Sheila proceeds to kill June and the boys.
Nevill comes to around 3.00 and phones JB before heading upstairs, Sheila shoots him in the face and then the arm and shoulder as he flees back to the kitchen. Sheila follows Nevill and finds him badly injured sitting on a chair, she tries to shoot him in the head but he holds up his one good arm to sheild himself, Seila prods and whacks Nevill with the barrel of the rifle and he finally trips up and falls across the chair and scuttle exhausted!
Now at peace, Sheila shoots Nevill in the head!

So, do you see the difference, Vertigo? The CT have Nevill shot and killed around 3.30 and he falls against the Aga burning his back until the police move him to the chair/scuttle sometime after 7.40.

Alternativelly, I have Nevill simply knocked out while he is lying against the Aga from roughly 12.00-3.00, he then gets up before being shot and stumbling onto the chair/scuttle!

So, CT = Nevill  dead whilst lying against the Aga from 3.30-7.40. [then moved by police to chair/scuttle after entry.

Me =      Nevill alive [but knocked out] whilst lying against the Aga from 12.00-3.00. [then gets up, only to be shot and killed, ending up on the chair/scuttle]

Is that clear, Vertigo?

Yes all apart from 2 questions:
1) what is CT
2) why is it not possible that the scenario you describe wrt to Nevill’s demise could have been carried out by Jeremy Bamber himself?