Any news on JB's 2025 CCRC application?

[Joe Blogs]

Yes all apart from 2 questions:
1) what is CT
2) why is it not possible that the scenario you describe wrt to Nevill’s demise could have been carried out by Jeremy Bamber himself?

CT is the campaign team, Vertigo, [including JB] they claim the police moved Nevill and have put this to the CCRC.
Which scenario could have been carried out by Bamber, the CT one, or mine?

[Vertigo Swirl]

CT is the campaign team, Vertigo, [including JB] they claim the police moved Nevill and have put this to the CCRC.
Which scenario could have been carried out by Bamber, the CT one, or mine?

yours obviously.

[Joe Blogs]

yours obviously.

So you think JB would have waited three hours for Nevill to come round again before killing him?

[The General]

Ha ha! You're as bad as Caroline, Vertigo!
I presume you mean how did Nevill get up from the Aga and onto the chair/scuttle?
Well I thought I had made that clear in my recent posts, but apparently not!
Oh well, we will have to go through it all again.
OK, firstly the CT scenario, or at least the part of their scenario dealing with the burns to Nevills back.
To be quite honest, I dont really know what the complete CT scenario is anyway.

So, the CT [not me!] believe that Nevill was beaten and shot to death before falling against the Aga around 3.30 on the night of the murders, he lay there burning his back until the police/TFG moved him to the chair/scuttle sometime after entering the Whitehouse at 7.40. OK? Have you got that, Vertigo?

And now, for one more time, this is what I think may have happened!
Nevill is beaten and knocked out by Sheila with the rifle around 12.00 on the night of the murders, Nevill falls against the Aga with fractures to his skull the rifle stock is splintered and cracked at this stage.
Sheila proceeds to kill June and the boys.
Nevill comes to around 3.00 and phones JB before heading upstairs, Sheila shoots him in the face and then the arm and shoulder as he flees back to the kitchen. Sheila follows Nevill and finds him badly injured sitting on a chair, she tries to shoot him in the head but he holds up his one good arm to sheild himself, Seila prods and whacks Nevill with the barrel of the rifle and he finally trips up and falls across the chair and scuttle exhausted!
Now at peace, Sheila shoots Nevill in the head!

So, do you see the difference, Vertigo? The CT have Nevill shot and killed around 3.30 and he falls against the Aga burning his back until the police move him to the chair/scuttle sometime after 7.40.

Alternativelly, I have Nevill simply knocked out while he is lying against the Aga from roughly 12.00-3.00, he then gets up before being shot and stumbling onto the chair/scuttle!

So, CT = Nevill  dead whilst lying against the Aga from 3.30-7.40. [then moved by police to chair/scuttle after entry.

Me =      Nevill alive [but knocked out] whilst lying against the Aga from 12.00-3.00. [then gets up, only to be shot and killed, ending up on the chair/scuttle]

Is that clear, Vertigo?

I was going to suggest that this was a load of old dog shit, but that would be doing a load of old dog shit a disservice. I'm not going to unpick it all, as it doesn't warrant my time. I lost 38 IQ points just by reading it. The forum's average IQ went down 2 points the moment you pressed send. An alarm went of in the webmaster's office, informing them that the intelligence lower limit had been breached for the first time.

Sheila 'knocks Nevill out with the rifle butt'. That's it. We can stop right there. In human history, has there ever been a recorded case of a 100lb woman procuring a rifle and rather than point the thing at their 220lb victim, decides to assail the 6ft veteran farmer with the butt - and succeeding? Feel free to consult Google and any AI platform you can find.
Even blindsided while asleep, although quite how she crept past Nevill to retrieve, check and load the gun is a new mystery you've introduced, swing the rifle butt (instead of shooting him in the back of the head) and successfully knock him unconscious? All logic dictates that she would have to kill him to leave the way clear to kill everyone else. Don't tell me, she was crazy at the time, so, yer know, logic and all that....

....and how did she wield the rifle? Two handed, with a 'prodding / thrusting' motion like you see on old war films? What about a two-handed baseball bat type swing? Perhaps a combination of the two - one hand on the stock, the other on the barrel, with a cricketing square cut? And all without the merest sign of damage to her nails and fingers.

....and why not fetch a lump hammer from the shed and brain him, killing him instantly?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So you think JB would have waited three hours for Nevill to come round again before killing him?

Well your theory has Sheila doing that, so why not?  Perhaps he went for a lie down after his exertions, or read a book for a bit, or went to check on the livestock. Perhaps he had a shower to wash off all the blood, laundered his clothes, poured himself a couple of drams, watched a horror movie on the vhs (if they had one), or maybe he spent three hours admiring his bloody handiwork, getting off on it, or perhaps he spent the time tormenting his sister before killing her, all as plausible as any scenario you have involving Sheila.

[Joe Blogs]

I was going to suggest that this was a load of old dog shit, but that would be doing a load of old dog shit a disservice. I'm not going to unpick it all, as it doesn't warrant my time. I lost 38 IQ points just by reading it. The forum's average IQ went down 2 points the moment you pressed send. An alarm went of in the webmaster's office, informing them that the intelligence lower limit had been breached for the first time.

Sheila 'knocks Nevill out with the rifle butt'. That's it. We can stop right there. In human history, has there ever been a recorded case of a 100lb woman procuring a rifle and rather than point the thing at their 220lb victim, decides to assail the 6ft veteran farmer with the butt - and succeeding? Feel free to consult Google and any AI platform you can find.
Even blindsided while asleep, although quite how she crept past Nevill to retrieve, check and load the gun is a new mystery you've introduced, swing the rifle butt (instead of shooting him in the back of the head) and successfully knock him unconscious? All logic dictates that she would have to kill him to leave the way clear to kill everyone else. Don't tell me, she was crazy at the time, so, yer know, logic and all that....

....and how did she wield the rifle? Two handed, with a 'prodding / thrusting' motion like you see on old war films? What about a two-handed baseball bat type swing? Perhaps a combination of the two - one hand on the stock, the other on the barrel, with a cricketing square cut? And all without the merest sign of damage to her nails and fingers.

....and why not fetch a lump hammer from the shed and brain him, killing him instantly?

Then you go with the CT claim that the police moved Nevill from the Aga to the chair/scuttle after entry then, General?
Or do you simply dismiss the Aga evidence alltogether?

[Joe Blogs]

Well your theory has Sheila doing that, so why not?  Perhaps he went for a lie down after his exertions, or read a book for a bit, or went to check on the livestock. Perhaps he had a shower to wash off all the blood, laundered his clothes, poured himself a couple of drams, watched a horror movie on the vhs (if they had one), or maybe he spent three hours admiring his bloody handiwork, getting off on it, or perhaps he spent the time tormenting his sister before killing her, all as plausible as any scenario you have involving Sheila.

Well you may be right about watching a movie, Vertigo!
The Bambers did indeed have a vhs video recorder which JB took from the Whitehouse after the murders.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Then you go with the CT claim that the police moved Nevill from the Aga to the chair/scuttle after entry then, General?
Or do you simply dismiss the Aga evidence alltogether?

It’s not aga evidence though is it?  It’s one man with a piece of pig skin’s theory, that’s all.

[Joe Blogs]

It’s not aga evidence though is it?  It’s one man with a piece of pig skin’s theory, that’s all.

Well the marks on the pig skin come from the Aga, and they match those found on Nevills back give or take. You keep on about all the coincidences re-Bruckner, yet you use every conceivable excuse to rule out the likelihood that the Aga caused the burns to Nevills back, Vertigo! Dont you?

[Myster]

Well the marks on the pig skin come from the Aga, and they match those found on Nevills back give or take. You keep on about all the coincidences re-Bruckner, yet you use every conceivable excuse to rule out the likelihood that the Aga caused the burns to Nevills back, Vertigo! Dont you?

No they do NOT, nothing like and you've been shown they don't, yet you're still rabbiting on about it.

[APRIL]

No they do NOT, nothing like and you've been shown they don't, yet you're still rabbiting on about it.

 "When you're in a hole, stop digging" is a well learned lesson, but as he appears to be well enroute to Australia, I guess he may be out of hearing range?

[Myster]

I was going to suggest that this was a load of old dog shit, but that would be doing a load of old dog shit a disservice. I'm not going to unpick it all, as it doesn't warrant my time. I lost 38 IQ points just by reading it. The forum's average IQ went down 2 points the moment you pressed send. An alarm went of in the webmaster's office, informing them that the intelligence lower limit had been breached for the first time.

Sheila 'knocks Nevill out with the rifle butt'. That's it. We can stop right there. In human history, has there ever been a recorded case of a 100lb woman procuring a rifle and rather than point the thing at their 220lb victim, decides to assail the 6ft veteran farmer with the butt - and succeeding? Feel free to consult Google and any AI platform you can find.
Even blindsided while asleep, although quite how she crept past Nevill to retrieve, check and load the gun is a new mystery you've introduced, swing the rifle butt (instead of shooting him in the back of the head) and successfully knock him unconscious? All logic dictates that she would have to kill him to leave the way clear to kill everyone else. Don't tell me, she was crazy at the time, so, yer know, logic and all that....

....and how did she wield the rifle? Two handed, with a 'prodding / thrusting' motion like you see on old war films? What about a two-handed baseball bat type swing? Perhaps a combination of the two - one hand on the stock, the other on the barrel, with a cricketing square cut? And all without the merest sign of damage to her nails and fingers.

....and why not fetch a lump hammer from the shed and brain him, killing him instantly?

... or use a sharp pointed cook's knife readily to hand from the kitchen drawer to kill them all, as women are prone to do in this country, like for example - Jemma 'decapitator' Mitchell, Jane 'Fergie's awful dresser' Andrews, Virginia 'Cheer up, at least you caught the bad guy' McCullough, and Penelope 'He's on the kitchen floor, bleeding to death with any luck' Jackson.

[The General]

Then you go with the CT claim that the police moved Nevill from the Aga to the chair/scuttle after entry then, General?
Or do you simply dismiss the Aga evidence alltogether?

You see, what you've done there is perpetrated about 13 logical fallacies in one sentence.
Feel free to explain all of my points instead of 'look over here, not there'.

Put your Magic Aga theory to one side for a moment and consider the chronology and pathology of the crime itself, which you've notcieably failed to do thus far.
Explain how Sheila killed Nevill.
Explain why she killed him first.
Explain how June, Sheila and the kids all slept through a monumental fight.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well the marks on the pig skin come from the Aga, and they match those found on Nevills back give or take. You keep on about all the coincidences re-Bruckner, yet you use every conceivable excuse to rule out the likelihood that the Aga caused the burns to Nevills back, Vertigo! Dont you?

No I don’t and the two are not remotely comparable.  You’ve already conceded that the mark caused on the pig skin by the largest knob on the aga didn’t even cause a burn on the skin, just an indentation, whereas the corresponding mark on Nevill’s body was smaller and the worst of the three marks judging by the photo.  I am entirely correct when I say that it’s an aga theory, not aga evidence.

[Joe Blogs]

 "When you're in a hole, stop digging" is a well learned lesson, but as he appears to be well enroute to Australia, I guess he may be out of hearing range?

Ha ha, very good April, very good indeed!