At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?

[G-Unit]

In this investigation they produced vast reams of statements, on a scale they appear to have never encountered before.

The statements are all on paper i.e. non-computerised.  We armchair detectives have had years to collate them.  The PJ did not.

And whilst the thread title and number of responses says this forum's members have noted discrepancies in the statements re call times, why would the PJ have this high on their priorities?

They had the call logs showing the phone times, plus the police statements as to when the police arrived.  The main issue was probably fending off allegations that they were slow to respond.

I completely agree. They did their best under very difficult circumstances. Nevertheless they accepted that the alarm was raised at about 10pm, despite quite a few statements saying it was quite a bit earlier.

[Brietta]

In this investigation they produced vast reams of statements, on a scale they appear to have never encountered before.

The statements are all on paper i.e. non-computerised.  We armchair detectives have had years to collate them.  The PJ did not.

And whilst the thread title and number of responses says this forum's members have noted discrepancies in the statements re call times, why would the PJ have this high on their priorities?

They had the call logs showing the phone times, plus the police statements as to when the police arrived.  The main issue was probably fending off allegations that they were slow to respond.

I agree that in the first instance it was important to find out what had happened and to set the wheels in motion to find Madeleine, and as far as the main issue you mention goes ... of course they had an eye to covering their backsides.

However I find it extraordinary that one of the first things the Rebelo investigation found it necessary to do was to collate all these pieces of paper you mention and put the information contained onto hard drives.

[ShiningInLuz]

I agree that in the first instance it was important to find out what had happened and to set the wheels in motion to find Madeleine, and as far as the main issue you mention goes ... of course they had an eye to covering their backsides.

However I find it extraordinary that one of the first things the Rebelo investigation found it necessary to do was to collate all these pieces of paper you mention and put the information contained onto hard drives.

You might be right about when this stuff was put onto hard drives therefore I am not going to suggest otherwise.

I had the impression that taking jpgs (photos or scans) of the statements was done shortly prior to the release of the files.

Photos (or scans) of statements is a truly awful way to getting the information cross-referenced.

I haven't seen anything in the PJ Files that suggests they had a decent system for analysing/linking whatever.  Was the oldest such system called a Rolladex?

To be fair, I haven't seen anything that suggests SY is using more advanced technology than this.

Whilst it appears to me a couple of posters on here have the info cross-referenced on what looks like a spreadsheet.  In lots and lots of lovely detail.

Maybe we should chip in and help them?

After all, we can tell when the police were called, can we not?

[jassi]

You might be right about when this stuff was put onto hard drives therefore I am not going to suggest otherwise.

I had the impression that taking jpgs (photos or scans) of the statements was done shortly prior to the release of the files.

Photos (or scans) of statements is a truly awful way to getting the information cross-referenced.

I haven't seen anything in the PJ Files that suggests they had a decent system for analysing/linking whatever.  Was the oldest such system called a Rolladex?

To be fair, I haven't seen anything that suggests SY is using more advanced technology than this.

Whilst it appears to me a couple of posters on here have the info cross-referenced on what looks like a spreadsheet.  In lots and lots of lovely detail.

Maybe we should chip in and help them?

After all, we can tell when the police were called, can we not?

Do you think that true?  Why on earth would anyone bother -  is it that important to anyone other than the police?

[sadie]

Do you think that true?  Why on earth would anyone bother -  is it that important to anyone other than the police?

Would you prefer Madeleine found or not?

Would you like the perps found or not?


Cos detail is very important if you want them found.

[jassi]

Would you prefer Madeleine found or not?

Would you like the perps found or not?


Cos detail is very important if you want them found.

And like you think you will make any difference ? 

[Alfred R Jones]

You might be right about when this stuff was put onto hard drives therefore I am not going to suggest otherwise.

I had the impression that taking jpgs (photos or scans) of the statements was done shortly prior to the release of the files.

Photos (or scans) of statements is a truly awful way to getting the information cross-referenced.

I haven't seen anything in the PJ Files that suggests they had a decent system for analysing/linking whatever.  Was the oldest such system called a Rolladex?

To be fair, I haven't seen anything that suggests SY is using more advanced technology than this.

Whilst it appears to me a couple of posters on here have the info cross-referenced on what looks like a spreadsheet.  In lots and lots of lovely detail.

Maybe we should chip in and help them?

After all, we can tell when the police were called, can we not?

What would you expect to be able to see of the Met's technology used in this case?  We do know they have a computer system called HOLMES which helps them to sift through thousands of pieces of data to help formulate information such as the timeline, is this really no more sophisticated than a Rolladex?

[ShiningInLuz]

Do you think that true?  Why on earth would anyone bother -  is it that important to anyone other than the police?

I haven't checked the numbers.  I think that at least two or more posters on here have clicked up cross-referenced info that comes from a better source than merely paper.  It pops up frequently faster than traffic lights change from red to green.

As far as I am aware, this covers the PJ Files, Kate's book, possibly Gonçalo's book and possibly media reports from the time that Madeleine disappeared to now.

Is it important?  Yes, I think so.  I have a 'database' (aka spreadsheet) that I would consider to be much less advanced that these posters.  And in certain, very very restricted areas, I am miles ahead of SY.

[sadie]

I haven't checked the numbers.  I think that at least two or more posters on here have clicked up cross-referenced info that comes from a better source than merely paper.  It pops up frequently faster than traffic lights change from red to green.

As far as I am aware, this covers the PJ Files, Kate's book, possibly Gonçalo's book and possibly media reports from the time that Madeleine disappeared to now.

Is it important?  Yes, I think so.  I have a 'database' (aka spreadsheet) that I would consider to be much less advanced that these posters. And in certain, very very restricted areas, I am miles ahead of SY.

Well done Shining.

I think I was too, but of course I had several years start.

I have shared most stuff with them ... could I suggest you do that too.

[Alice Purjorick]

Do you think that true?  Why on earth would anyone bother -  is it that important to anyone other than the police?

Perhaps they are learning to use Excel and needed a subject for trial?

[jassi]

Perhaps they are learning to use Excel and needed a subject for trial?

I have a vision of that scene from Star Trek, or was it Dr Who, where the speaking computer states " Illogical, illogical - cannot compute, cannot compute" and self-destructs in a cloud of smoke 

[Robittybob1]

In the book "Vanished - The Truth About the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann"
By Danny Collins the author states "who called the Police .... has never been satisfactorily resolved."
Can we do better than that?

  Erm, at some point we were back and forth to the, to the reception as well. And I think what the reception probably did was ring the MARK WARNER people and say, there's somebody that's saying there's a child missing, because by that time there were lots of MARK WARNER people around, erm, and they were very good, they, you know, they obviously, you know, got there and that might have been the impetus that got them to ring the Police, if, because I understand that there is some discrepancy about when we thought we'd called the Police and when the Police were actually called and that might be that they went on the, on that route first and then went, I think it's Stuart HILL or, well the Manager, the sort of Manager got involved, that might have been when it occurred. ...

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

It appears the police were only called once John Hill approved the phone call.

[Robittybob1]

This quite believable:http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
 

because everybody just seemed to just sort of run, there was sort of no organisation, you know, and it was obviously important that we, you know, we did something constructive rather than just running around looking in the hedgerows if, you know, what we, because we all went through this, you know, is she really gone, surely she must have just sort of wandered off and we're just going to find her and she's going to be there, but, you know, she's like a four year old child and, you know, she, I mean, all the doors were shut, she wasn't really going to run off and then Jane said, the shutters up, and, you know, we sort of scarpered and Dave and Russell were just running off sort of shouting, so Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police, so I actually went down the route to where she would have gone for Nursery drop off, which his back to the, to the main reception essentially, so I went down that route looking for her at that time and I asked the reception to phone the Police, and that must have been about five past, it's difficult to know what time it was at that time, but maybe about ten past ten, five past ten, ten past ten'.

So you would have to say it was Matt who tried his best to get the Police to be called but OC had their procedures to follow first.  And I suppose that procedure also had a clause that the staff had to get approval from a senior member of the staff first before ringing as well, well that sounds good but what happens if he is out of cell phone range or his phone is switched off or on another call?

[John]

It appears the police were only called once John Hill approved the phone call.

According to the Ocean Club Reception yes, procedures had to be followed. There was discussion however between tapas staff members about phoning the police but since there is no record of the calls from their mobile phones in the files it is unknown whether they did so.

[ShiningInLuz]

In the book "Vanished - The Truth About the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann"
By Danny Collins the author states "who called the Police .... has never been satisfactorily resolved."
Can we do better than that?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

It appears the police were only called once John Hill approved the phone call.

What is the date of publication of the book?

Why does Collins think that who called the police has never been satisfactorily resolved?