At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?

[Robittybob1]

According to the Ocean Club Reception yes, procedures had to be followed. There was discussion however between tapas staff members about phoning the police but since there is no record of the calls from their mobile phones in the files it is unknown whether they did so.

Would it still be possible to get the cellphone records from the cellphone towers in that area?    OK it might be tricky to identify who was ringing who but maybe the  phone companies can release that information to Scotland Yard's Operation Grange.

[Robittybob1]

What is the date of publication of the book?

Why does Collins think that who called the police has never been satisfactorily resolved?

It is his words in the book so I suppose that is his opinion.  He didn't go into a lot of detail.  Was it a recent publication? "Published October 1st 2008 by John Blake"

[ShiningInLuz]

It is his words in the book so I suppose that is his opinion.  He didn't go into a lot of detail.  Was it a recent publication? "Published October 1st 2008 by John Blake"

Re PJ Files - "It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law"

I would suggest Collins either did not have access to a copy of the PJ Files or did not have sufficient time to study them to identify the two calls from the OC land line to the GNR, the first at 10.41pm.  From memory, someone recently posted that shortly before both of these calls there was a phone call from John Hill to reception, presumably requesting these two calls.

[Robittybob1]

Re PJ Files - "It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law"

I would suggest Collins either did not have access to a copy of the PJ Files or did not have sufficient time to study them to identify the two calls from the OC land line to the GNR, the first at 10.41pm.  From memory, someone recently posted that shortly before both of these calls there was a phone call from John Hill to reception, presumably requesting these two calls.

I was involved in those recent discussions and they don't stack up, there was no need to ring the police twice 10 minutes apart.

[ShiningInLuz]

I was involved in those recent discussions and they don't stack up, there was no need to ring the police twice 10 minutes apart.

Whatever your opinion of the calls, the files clearly show 2 calls from the OC land line to the GNR.  And that, AFAIK, is consistent with every relevant statement in the PJ Files.

Mr Collins seems to have got it wrong because he did not have (sufficient) access to the evidence.

You've got access to the evidence, therefore it is up to you to come up with something better than stating that in your opinion it does not stack up.

What is correct procedure when you have a missing child, a missing child search has produced nothing, and the police have not (yet) arrived following your first phone call?

[Robittybob1]

Whatever your opinion of the calls, the files clearly show 2 calls from the OC land line to the GNR.  And that, AFAIK, is consistent with every relevant statement in the PJ Files.

Mr Collins seems to have got it wrong because he did not have (sufficient) access to the evidence.

You've got access to the evidence, therefore it is up to you to come up with something better than stating that in your opinion it does not stack up.

What is correct procedure when you have a missing child, a missing child search has produced nothing, and the police have not (yet) arrived following your first phone call?

we'll be reviewing all the evidence over the next week.

[ShiningInLuz]

we'll be reviewing all the evidence over the next week.

I have examined it already, so whoever 'we' supposedly is, it does not include me.

[Robittybob1]

I have examined it already, so whoever 'we' supposedly is, it does not include me.

1.  If that is the case could you present your best argument and I'll see if it stands scrutiny please? 

2.  Please explain the reason if the Police were rung at 22:42 they would need ringing again at 22:53 or thereabouts? (Correction thanks to Pegasus and .....)

[ShiningInLuz]

1.  If that is the case could you present your best argument and I'll see if it stands scrutiny please? 

2.  Please explain the reason if the Police were rung at 20:42 they would need ringing again at 20:53 or thereabouts?

Is there something about 'it does not include me' that you don't understand?

[pegasus]

(snip)... if the Police were rung at 20:42 they would need ringing again at 20:53 or thereabouts?

http://www.math-salamanders.com/image-files/24-hour-clock-face.gif.pagespeed.ce.uvnMWc8Xls.gif

[Robittybob1]

Is there something about 'it does not include me' that you don't understand?

Yes there is, the bit I don't understand is the bit where you say "I have examined it already".  If that is true and you show the forum your result then we will accept it.

[Robittybob1]

http://www.math-salamanders.com/image-files/24-hour-clock-face.gif.pagespeed.ce.uvnMWc8Xls.gif

I was asking a serious question and you show me a diagram of a clock face!  Fixed it.  Thanks.

[mercury]

Re PJ Files - "It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law"

I would suggest Collins either did not have access to a copy of the PJ Files or did not have sufficient time to study them to identify the two calls from the OC land line to the GNR, the first at 10.41pm.  From memory, someone recently posted that shortly before both of these calls there was a phone call from John Hill to reception, presumably requesting these two calls.

His book was publshed MAY 2008, and largely based on news articles and talking to various people, therefore well before the files were published.

[Robittybob1]

It is so interesting to see what people have said in the past:  Take this post from Pegasus http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6456.msg256228#msg256228

The other reason given for not using one of their 8 mobiles to phone police, was "we didn't speak portuguese", which is reasonable and true. (However Portugal does provide english speaking 112 operators).

That might be true but if you haven't tried it before you would not know that.  So do you know this from personal experience?

[Robittybob1]

That thread linked to another older thread started by Anna http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6160.msg228871#msg228871

Having checked out the timing  I can’t understand, why the police weren’t called earlier?
People knew and called reception and other staff from approx 10.10pm, but no call was made from OC to police until 10.41 pm (2) (23) (29) (33)
2..………… Helder Jorge Samaio Luis
……………Occupation: Receptionist Ocean Club.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post193.html#p193
23 .………  Emma Louise KNIGHT
Occupation: Hotel Manager
Date: 30th April 2008
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic9-50.html
29.……… Marina Paulo Raposo Batista Castela
Date: 2007 – 05 – 16
Place of Work: Ocean Club
Occupation: General Manager
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic9-130.html
33.………  Jeronimo Tomas Rodrigues Salcedas 
Date: 2007/05/06
Occupation: Barman / Waiter
Place of Work: Ocean Club
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic9-140.html

This does not include Matt's apparent visit to reception at 10.20 as statements

I have an idea that no one can understand this till they know the reason why. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7494.0

[Potential libel deleted.]