The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.

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As Grime has already made it clear in his statements what the dogs alerts mean...I cant see what he can add...which side would call him...I am NOT surprised that amaral has called no canine expert in his defence in the libel trial as I think the evidence is against him

irrelevancy struck out

It doesnt matter what you can or cant see, (pls reread point 1 of my post you replied to) or which side might call him, or both, he was involved in the investigation,  he is an expert witness too, he will in all probability be called in any trial, as others have been over years,  thats all there is to it

To suggest people are not called as witnesses because they already have given a statement, is just plain daft

 

anyone might thnk you dont want him called

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As for anythng being Johns imagination, you didnt make it clear whether that referred to any trial happening or Grime being called to the stand!

[ferryman]

WRONG.

It has investigative value in the sense that it can and must be used to direct the investigation in the search for factual evidence that a death occurred inside the apartment.

No it's not.

Blood from Paul Gordon's shaving cut is as irrelevant as Gerry's blood on the ignition key of the car to the question of what happened to Madeleine.

Relevant (because it casts a question mark over all other canine reactions in the investigation) is Eddie's error with cuddle-cat.

[Redblossom]

No it's not.

Blood from Paul Gordon's shaving cut is as irrelevant as Gerry's blood on the ignition key of the car to the question of what happened to Madeleine.

Relevant (because it casts a question mark over all other canine reactions in the investigation) is Eddie's error with cuddle-cat.

I thought the FSS found no blood

Did they find Gordons dna?  Is there any reference in the FSS report to Gordon? No! Are you assuming presuming and asserting at will that the dna components found in one of the samples behnd the sofa (confirmed components of Madeleine Mccanns dna profile btw) must have been from his blood rather than anyone elses?


Why mislead like this? You dont even know he went anywhere near the back of the sofa!! So your assertions/arguments are based on?



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[Mr Gray]

irrelevancy struck out

It doesnt matter what you can or cant see, (pls reread point 1 of my post you replied to) or which side might call him, or both, he was involved in the investigation,  he is an expert witness too, he will in all probability be called in any trial, as others have been over years,  thats all there is to it

To suggest people are not called as witnesses because they already have given a statement, is just plain daft

 

anyone might thnk you dont want him called

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As for anythng being Johns imagination, you didnt make it clear whether that referred to any trial happening or Grime being called to the stand!

You do seem very angry....

Of course witnesses are called to give evidence so they can be cross examined. I feel.having read grimes statements he would be no use for the prosecution as he has already stated the evrd alerts have no evidential value in this case,

As for johns imagination...both  really...I don't see any possibility of a trial....unless of course someone was to beat a confession out of kate

 

[Redblossom]

You do seem very angry....

Of course witnesses are called to give evidence so they can be cross examined. I feel.having read grimes statements he would be no use for the prosecution as he has already stated the evrd alerts have no evidential value in this case,

As for johns imagination...both  really...I don't see any possibility of a trial....unless of course someone was to beat a confession out of kate

 

1) so just your feeling, not very empirical scientific or logical let alone remotely realistic is it? Lol

All evidence in any case has to be thrashed out by lawyers, that includes in this case, the dog alerts, a major element of the investigation

2) resorting to silly now, so obviously lost any argument you had, which was none anyway and btw any possible future trial neednt be against the Mccanns! Obvious which way you were thinking


 

[ferryman]

1) so just your feeling, not very empirical scientific or logical let alone remotely realistic is it? Lol

All evidence in any case has to be thrashed out by lawyers, that includes in this case, the dog alerts, a major element of the investigation

2) resorting to silly now, so obviously lost any argument you had, which was none anyway and btw any possible future trial neednt be against the Mccanns! Obvious which way you were thinking


 

Dog alerts were irrelevant ...

[Redblossom]

Dog alerts were irrelevant ...

If you say so

 

Poor poor wishful thinking
There  is no such thng as an irrelevant dog alert

Show me one case where Eddie alerted and a missing person turned up alive, you cant, can you, they all turned up dead or still missing! This is the crux of the matter here not piles of posts saying he alerted to bad breath etc and all that totally ridiculous nonsense!

Not to mention Kate Mccanns ridiculous take in her book! Libellous and when the time comes I hope Grime sues her but I guess hes above all that!


 

[icabodcrane]

Dog alerts were irrelevant ...

A  dog who was trained to bark when he detected the scent of death barked in the apartment where a missing child was last seen

It was an indication that the missing child may have died there   

Had the missing child subsequently been found,  or  evidence had emerged that explained her disappearance  (  other  than her having died in the apartment where she was last seen  )   THEN  it would possible to say the dog alerts were  'irrelevant' 

Since that is not the case,  the dog alerts remain very relevant   ...   and that's why we continue to debate the subject,   isn't it  ? 

[Mr Gray]

A  dog who was trained to bark when he detected the scent of death barked in the apartment where a missing child was last seen

It was an indication that the missing child may have died there 

Had the missing child subsequently been found,  or  evidence had emerged that explained her disappearance  (  other  than her having died in the apartment where she was last seen  )   THEN  it would possible to say the dog alerts were  'irrelevant' 

Since that is not the case,  the dog alerts remain very relevant   ...   and that's why we continue to debate the subject,   isn't it  ?

Even if there were no dog alerts it is possible that a child may have died there...so in that sense it is irrelavent

[Redblossom]

A  dog who was trained to bark when he detected the scent of death barked in the apartment where a missing child was last seen

It was an indication that the missing child may have died there   

Had the missing child subsequently been found,  or  evidence had emerged that explained her disappearance  (  other  than her having died in the apartment where she was last seen  )   THEN  it would possible to say the dog alerts were  'irrelevant' 

Since that is not the case,  the dog alerts remain very relevant   ...   and that's why we continue to debate the subject,   isn't it  ?

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precisely,the very fact that some people deny this possibility is nothing short of apologist IMO

[Mr Gray]

If you say so

 

Poor poor wishful thinking
There  is no such thng as an irrelevant dog alert

Show me one case where Eddie alerted and a missing person turned up alive, you cant, can you, they all turned up dead or still missing! This is the crux of the matter here not piles of posts saying he alerted to bad breath etc and all that totally ridiculous nonsense!

Not to mention Kate Mccanns ridiculous take in her book! Libellous and when the time comes I hope Grime sues her but I guess hes above all that!


 

So you now think you are judge and jury and have judged kate's comment libellous...perhaps you would like to post the comment so we can all have an OPINION

[Redblossom]

Even if there were no dog alerts it is possible that a child may have died there...so in that sense it is irrelavent

OMG! That has to be the stupidest post of the year, well done!!

[Mr Gray]

+1

precisely,the very fact that some people deny this possibility is nothing short of apologist IMO

I disagree of course because I am sticking with the evidence...does anyone REALLY know what the alerts mean....

[Redblossom]

So you now think you are judge and jury and have judged kate's comment libellous...perhaps you would like to post the comment so we can all have an OPINION

read the book!

 

yes they ARE libellous, sorry about that

[Redblossom]

I disagree of course because I am sticking with the evidence...does anyone REALLY know what the alerts mean....

Grime knows so get over it