Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.

[stephen25000]

Th crucial element is 'reckless' and that could not be established.  The McCanns admitted that they fell victim to a false sense of security given the peaceful ambiance of the resort. 

If anyone was to blame it was the resort management who were well aware that accmodation had been targeted already.  Guests should have been warned not to leave doors unsecured at any time and to lock all windows firmly when out.

I have never bought that one John, since they locked the apartment during the daytime.

Therefore, ipso facto, they knew the resort wasn't safe.

Besides locking  the doors when you are out is standard practice and common sense.

[John]

Not forgetting that the window was open and the shutter raised ... and a little girl was missing without trace.

If Madeleine 'woke and wandered' she left no fingerprints on the glass of the patio door, cuddle cat was left lying on the bed and she left her shoes behind her.

All she had to do was to walk from the garden gate to the small well lit reception area and safety ... there is no evidence she did that.

Mr and Mrs Moyes were on their balcony from after nine until they retired.  Had there been any disturbance associated with an accident they would have noticed.
Unfortunately neither they who were on their balcony and others with balconies overlooking the area who may well have been on them appear to have been asked relevant questions ... it is questionable how many if any were asked anything at all.

Are you forgetting the tracker dog who followed Madeleine's fresh scent from Apt 5a down to reception and across the road?  That is evidence Brietta.

[John]

I have never bought that one John, since they locked the apartment during the daytime.

Therefore, ipso facto, they knew the resort wasn't safe.

Besides locking  the doors when you are out is standard practice and common sense.

Yes, I agree with the common sense element but how many people leave their common sense at passport control when they fly off abroad?

[stephen25000]

Yes, I agree with the common sense element but how many people leave their common sense at passport control when they fly off abroad?

Yet they locked the apartment during the day.

So they had common sense then.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Not forgetting that the window was open and the shutter raised ... and a little girl was missing without trace.

If Madeleine 'woke and wandered' she left no fingerprints on the glass of the patio door, cuddle cat was left lying on the bed and she left her shoes behind her.

All she had to do was to walk from the garden gate to the small well lit reception area and safety ... there is no evidence she did that.

Mr and Mrs Moyes were on their balcony from after nine until they retired.  Had there been any disturbance associated with an accident they would have noticed.
Unfortunately neither they who were on their balcony and others with balconies overlooking the area who may well have been on them appear to have been asked relevant questions ... it is questionable how many if any were asked anything at all.

Worth mentioning  the lack of finger prints-the Only fingerprints found were on the window and they were KATES.oops. Also Kate is the only person claiming this was done by someone else. No independant evidence at all.


Oh are you suggesting someone did a wipe down in the apartment and got rid off the 'abductors' prints and left Kates?

Are you also suggesting the 'people' on the balconies saw something and didn't report it?  why would ALL these people not come forward if they saw a child dying from an accident- oh seriously!

[jassi]

Any accident may have occurred long before there were people on their balconies.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Yet they locked the apartment during the dasy.

So they had common sense then.

 
Indeed Stephen!  you see it is always the devil in the details!

They locked the apartment to keep their valuables safe DURING THE DAY now why do that if they knew it was safe enough to leave babies, who woke up crying during the night, alone with an unlocked door!



 &%+((£ hmmmm

[ferryman]

Vital to keep them pesky daisies at bay.

In the meantime, responsible parents allow their children to walk unescorted to school (having first checked that they are sufficiently aware when crossing roads). 

But the same, in the main, loving and responsible parents would never dream of leaving the route their kids walk to get to school littered with bank-notes.

Does that mean they love money more than they love their kids?

No, of course it doesn't. 

[stephen25000]

Vital to keep them pesky daisies at bay.

In the meantime, responsible parents allow their children to walk unescorted to school (having first checked that they are sufficiently aware when crossing roads). 

But the same, in the main, loving and responsible parents would never dream of leaving the route their kids walk to get to school littered with bank-notes.

Does that mean they love money more than they love their kids?




No, of course it doesn't.

So children aged three and infants walk to school, or in the latter walk in the streets, by themselves.


 

[Mr Gray]

So children aged three and infants walk to school, or in the latter walk in the streets, by themselves.


 

This has all been discussed ad infinity over the past ten years
No doubt you will still be here in 10 yrs time saying the same things

[Brietta]

Are you forgetting the tracker dog who followed Madeleine's fresh scent from Apt 5a down to reception and across the road?  That is evidence Brietta.

If memory serves me well, the GNR dogs followed a trail from the door of the apartment and along the walled pathway in the direction of block 4.  They walked down the pathway between the blocks and followed the path running behind block 5 where they exited onto Rua Dr Francisco Gentil Martins prior to proceeding back up the road in the direction of Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva and crossing before turning and walking back towards the car park opposite reception. (we went into this in great detail with Pegasus on one of the interminable dog threads ... Misty might remember).
They showed not the slightest interest in the exit from the garden of the McCann apartment.

I doubt Madeleine would have followed that route by herself in the dark and on foot.  If the dogs were following her scent she was being carried by an adult who was walking to a vehicle in the car park.

[G-Unit]

Kate McCann completely dismissed the possibility that Madeleine left the apartment herself that night. Neither she or Fiona have ever been asked about Fiona's rogatory interview, however, when she said Kate asked her;

'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Kate must have thought that Madeleine was capable of opening the patio door and the child gate, otherwise she wouldn't have left the door unlocked so she could go and find them.

[Brietta]

Worth mentioning  the lack of finger prints-the Only fingerprints found were on the window and they were KATES.oops. Also Kate is the only person claiming this was done by someone else. No independant evidence at all.


Oh are you suggesting someone did a wipe down in the apartment and got rid off the 'abductors' prints and left Kates?

Are you also suggesting the 'people' on the balconies saw something and didn't report it?  why would ALL these people not come forward if they saw a child dying from an accident- oh seriously!

Pity you missed the discussion thread where the presence of Kate's fingerprints on the inside window glass was discussed in great detail ~ it was very informative.

You did however manage to understand precisely the point I made in my post about the unlikelihood that Madeleine may have met with an accident while wandering on the street.  Well spotted.

[barrier]

Kate must have thought that Madeleine was capable of opening the patio door and the child gate, otherwise she wouldn't have left the door unlocked so she could go and find them.

She didn't know before hand that MO would volunteer to go and check on the apartment did she? that would be the only other reason to leave the apartment unsecured,or to borrow MWT's phrase the patio door was insecure.

[ferryman]

So children aged three and infants walk to school, or in the latter walk in the streets, by themselves.


 

They are left to fall asleep in bed all by themselves.

Responsible parents, in their millions or billions, over decades, centuries and longer, all over the world, have done precisely that.