Author Topic: Has the reward money for the safe return of Madeleine McCann been dropped?  (Read 112773 times)

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Offline Benice

But they haven't managed to keep her profile in the public domain.  She is hardly ever mentioned in the Press any more and there are few posters if any to be seen around the country about her.  If you travel abroad there are no posters in any of the airports because no one wants to damage their tourism industry by reminding anyone that child abductors exist.  Save for a few tweets and mentions on forums like this one nobody cares.  Is that reality??

I disagree Angelo.    After 6 years Madeleine is still front page news at every opportunity the newspapers can find to write about her  - and there is the SY Review taking place.      Of course interest will wane with the general public as time goes on - that's simply a fact of life -  but in the meantime I think the McCanns have done everything humanly possible to make sure Madeleine is not forgotten.     Hopefully their efforts will be rewarded one day in the not too distant future.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Carana

That may seem easy from the outside...

The McCanns were there for months. Neither they, nor the PIs could have interviewed anyone who chose not to talk to them.

There was no point in them staying there with the hostile atmosphere once they'd been made arguidos - and there were the twins to consider.

If Gerry had not gone back to work, they'd have had to have lived off the fund. And he no doubt mentally he needed a constructive focus that gave him a breather for part of the day from the emotional trauma.

Once they got hold of the files, there was obviously a lot to check through, detail by detail.

I really don't see what staying on in PT would have achieved.


What did they do for months?  Sat in PDL twiddling their thumbs until Amaral decided they were involved and the moment he was forced to lift the arguido status they flew back to the UK.   You don't give up on your child just because the police are a little hostile to you.  The McCanns are qualified doctors, they could have got a job in Portugal quite easily and used their spare time to effectively look for their missing daughter but no...not to be. I am not in the lease surprised that many people are critical of their decision to return to the UK and effectively abandon their child to her fate.  Just awful imo.

I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.

And in which they didn't speak the language.

Offline Mrs. B

See, there you go again, implying that the McCanns are calculating, heartless, uncaring parents.  Did it occur to you that the McCanns may have taken professional advice on this matter from people who do actually know what they are talking about and who don't see the offering of a reward as the simple solution to the case that you seem to see it as?

That's the problem you see.  The people they are talking to and taking advice from are a useless bunch.  One of them was responsible for an innocent man being imprisoned for years for the murder of Jill Dando yet remains in post.  That clown of a detective and a few others of the same ilk should have been booted out but no he and they are still there advising people like the McCanns and no doubt looking to stitch up the next poor sod with some sort of learning difficulty who is easily influenced.  Amaral must be laughing his socks off at them with their latest suspect list which in the end and £millions later will lead nowhere.

Maybe the McCanns are content to follow the official line and keep their heads down?  A little PR here, an odd interview there once in a while, an occasional fun run and not forgetting Kates patronage of a missing children organisation.  All great stuff but how exactly will any of this go any way to finding their daughter after 6 long years???

So you completely dismiss out of hand any of the potential downsides associated with the business of offering a reward?  You are obviously very knowledgeable about the benefits of offering a reward - perhaps you can give some real-life examples of people found because of the reward offered?

After 6 years wasted what downsides exactly are we talking about?    We already have the downside, Madeleine is as much lost as she was on 3rd May 2007.   The offer of a reward has brought forward  much information over the years, the police use this tool regularly as do the national Press when they get involved.  Do you really believe they wouldn't offer a reward if there was little success of it being of assistance?   The UK charity Crimestoppers use rewards regularly in all sorts of cases which again proves that the offer of a reward is conducive to solving cases.

You must address your concerns to the Scotland Yard Review Team - perhaps they can shed some light on it.

Why, always, the vehement objection to the McCanns, themselves, being directly questioned about  anything  ?

What is the problem with asking  them  to clarify whether or not a reward is on offer  ?

What reason  exists  that prevents them from giving a clear and straightforward answer to such a simple question  ?

What do you mean "direct" questions to the McCann? Do you think they're posting on this forum? And even if they WERE, do bear in mind that:

1. WE do not have the right to question them  about anything. SY is currently conducting a review of the case, the McCann are co-operating with them. (If in doubt, please see Judge Tugendhat's sentencing report re. McCann vs Bennett)

2. By the same token, THEY have no legal obligation to satisfy ANYONE'S need to pry into their private affairs, thoughts or actions about anything concerning this case.

We can speculate til the cows come home why THEY didn't say this, or why THEY didn't do that etc etc. Nobody here afaik can answer any direct questions to the McCann.


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That may seem easy from the outside...

The McCanns were there for months. Neither they, nor the PIs could have interviewed anyone who chose not to talk to them.

There was no point in them staying there with the hostile atmosphere once they'd been made arguidos - and there were the twins to consider.

If Gerry had not gone back to work, they'd have had to have lived off the fund. And he no doubt mentally he needed a constructive focus that gave him a breather for part of the day from the emotional trauma.

Once they got hold of the files, there was obviously a lot to check through, detail by detail.

I really don't see what staying on in PT would have achieved.


What did they do for months?  Sat in PDL twiddling their thumbs until Amaral decided they were involved and the moment he was forced to lift the arguido status they flew back to the UK.   You don't give up on your child just because the police are a little hostile to you.  The McCanns are qualified doctors, they could have got a job in Portugal quite easily and used their spare time to effectively look for their missing daughter but no...not to be. I am not in the lease surprised that many people are critical of their decision to return to the UK and effectively abandon their child to her fate.  Just awful imo.

I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.

And in which they didn't speak the language.

Have you been to an NHS hospital recently?

I reckon only 50% of staff have English as their first language.

A physician treats bodies - he/she does not first and foremost has to have a natter with them.

Others will translate if necessary.
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Offline Mrs. B

The McCann's don't have Portuguese as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. They don't have it at ALL.

Offline sadie

And you just dont drop into a job as a heart consultant.  Even if you were seriously considered. 

Gerrys job is not to be surgeon, but to diagnose.  Language would be very important.


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The McCann's don't have Portuguese as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. They don't have it at ALL.

So that poor fellow he helped out on that flight back to Blighty - who had a dodgy ticker

Did he speak English?

Do we know - pray tell?

For according to your logic - Gerry would not have touched him - if he didn't have his lingo.

Nonsensical in the extreme

Offline Carana

The McCann's don't have Portuguese as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. They don't have it at ALL.

So that poor fellow he helped out on that flight back to Blighty - who had a dodgy ticker

Did he speak English?

Do we know - pray tell?

For according to your logic - Gerry would not have touched him - if he didn't have his lingo.

Nonsensical in the extreme

Assuming that story is true, we don't know whether he spoke English or not. And there is surely a difference between making a quick medical assessment and offering first aid in an emergency situation and getting an employment contract as a cardiologist when you don't speak the language?

Offline Chinagirl

It is nonsense to suggest that either Kate or Gerry could simply have got jobs in Portugal with absolutely NO Portuguese.  Before they even started to look for a job they would have had to have learned the language.  They also had to consider the twins - were they to start school in Portugal, also with the initial disadvantage of having no Portuguese (though this would have been soon remedied as they were so young).  And what were they to do about their house in England, and Gerry's existing job?
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Offline Mrs. B

LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?

AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.

Offline Puffin

The McCann's don't have Portuguese as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. They don't have it at ALL.

So that poor fellow he helped out on that flight back to Blighty - who had a dodgy ticker

Did he speak English?

Do we know - pray tell?

For according to your logic - Gerry would not have touched him - if he didn't have his lingo.

Nonsensical in the extreme
I thought English and French were Portugal's second languages: 
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English Language has an obligatory status in Portuguese Schools same as French (besides of course the Portuguese Language). This mean that every Portuguese person that went or is in school learned English and French. Although both languages are obligatory in the first years of school, at one point students have to choose between the 2 obligatory languages (English or French) for the rest of the years needed to complete High School, and most students if not all choose English over French.   This mean that virtually all Portuguese students understands and speaks at least Basic English, being in most cases their second language.
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LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?

AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.

Nice turn of phrase

but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN

regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe

silly me, I thought everyone knew this

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Offline Angelo222

I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.

And in which they didn't speak the language.

Strange isn't it how Kate can speak Portuguese when it suits when addressing the Portuguese media.  They could learn just as everyone else who works abroad does.
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Offline Carana

LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?

AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.

Nice turn of phrase

but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN

regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe

silly me, I thought everyone knew this

A lot of medical terms have Greek roots (as well as some Latin ones).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_roots,_suffixes_and_prefixes

Including:
cardi(o)-    Of or pertaining to the heart    Ancient Greek καρδία (kardía), heart

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I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.

And in which they didn't speak the language.

Strange isn't it how Kate can speak Portuguese when it suits when addressing the Portuguese media.  They could learn just as everyone else who works abroad does.

yep quite fluent there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJMYd2CUWKY