Author Topic: Ricardo Paiva, "Kate McCann had a dream where she saw Maddie on a hillside"  (Read 128324 times)

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Offline faithlilly

I have very realistic dreams, Stephen. I always have done. Even now I can wake up crying, confused and calling out. I can't think why I should have a guilty conscience................Unless its all these expensive chocolates that I eat....

The price of those are enough to disturb your sleep Anna  8(0(*
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Anna

The price of those are enough to disturb your sleep Anna  8(0(*

How very true, Faith. The cost could cause bad dreams for some. Luckily, I rarely have to buy them.  ?{)(**

“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

stephen25000

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I have very realistic dreams, Stephen. I always have done. Even now I can wake up crying, confused and calling out. I can't think why I should have a guilty conscience................Unless its all these expensive chocolates that I eat....

No Anna, chocolate contains a compound with a slightly different effect. 8(0(*

Offline sadie

How very true, Faith. The cost could cause bad dreams for some. Luckily, I rarely have to buy them.  ?{)(**
Oh, you lucky girl!

Offline Anna

No Anna, chocolate contains a compound with a slightly different effect. 8(0(*

No, I am not overweight   @)(++(*….Never have been and never will be, Stephen.

I will often rather have chocolate than a meal nowadays, but I do feel a wee bit guilty, of the cost to my loved ones.
Nightmares are often due to worry and stress, which I believe Kate must have been suffering.
Also they can be due to over-concern for others and stories of horror.

Back to the supposed dream. Can anyone prove that she ever had such a dream and more to the point. Did she actually say this to Paiva, or was it all just a misunderstanding?
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
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stephen25000

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No, I am not overweight   @)(++(*….Never have been and never will be, Stephen.

I will often rather have chocolate than a meal nowadays, but I do feel a wee bit guilty, of the cost to my loved ones.
Nightmares are often due to worry and stress, which I believe Kate must have been suffering.
Also they can be due to over-concern for others and stories of horror.

Back to the supposed dream. Can anyone prove that she ever had such a dream and more to the point. Did she actually say this to Paiva, or was it all just a misunderstanding?

I wasn't referring to being overweight Anna.

Just to one specific ingredient in chocolate.

Let's just say it makes you feel better.

Offline Benice

Intense dreams could well be a sign of a guilty conscience.


What if the dream was that Madeleine had been left alive on a hillside by her abductors - and was caused by her mother's intense longing for her return?

What is your opinion of a dream being viewed as being of such major importance by the police team in charge -  that it was regarded as a turning point in the case?   Would you regard that as professional behaviour?

   
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline mercury

I thnk it is very possible that somethng was lost in translation and rather than saying a dream caused the investigation to change direction, IMO any reference made was about the time, whch was, from around mid July onwards when Harrison and Grime were brought in


Alfred R Jones

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“She said she had dreamt that Madeleine was on a hill and that we should search for her there.

“She gave the impression that she thought she was dead – it was a turning point for us.”

The dream was the turning point, according to Paiva.  How bloody absurd.

Alfred R Jones

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I thnk it is very possible that somethng was lost in translation and rather than saying a dream caused the investigation to change direction, IMO any reference made was about the time, whch was, from around mid July onwards when Harrison and Grime were brought in
According to the opening post by "Faithlilly" nothing could possibly be lost in translation as Paiva speaks perfect English!

Offline faithlilly

According to the opening post by "Faithlilly" nothing could possibly be lost in translation as Paiva speaks perfect English!

So mercury's opinion differs from mine. And ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfred R Jones

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So mercury's opinion differs from mine. And ?
And nothing.  If you are right then Mercury is wrong.  right?

Offline faithlilly

And nothing.  If you are right then Mercury is wrong.  right?

No sh*t Sherlock !  @)(++(*
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline mercury

According to the opening post by "Faithlilly" nothing could possibly be lost in translation as Paiva speaks perfect English!

Was he speaking English in court? How can you be certain of what he actually meant?  You can't.


Offline Anna

My apologies if it has already been posted


By Fiona Govan in Lisbon

7:30AM GMT 13 Jan 2010

 

Police Inspector Ricardo Paiva, who acted as a liaison between the McCanns and Portuguese detectives in the days following their daughter’s disappearance, said the dream was a "turning point" in the investigation.


He said that Mrs McCann told him in a tearful telephone conversation in late July 2007 that she had dreamt that Madeleine was on a hill and that police should search for her there.


The claims came as Kate and Gerry McCann appeared in court to hear evidence on the first day of a hearing to challenge the publication of a book written by Algarve detective Goncalo Amaral.


Insp Paiva told the hearing in Lisbon: “Kate called me, she was alone as Gerry was away and she was crying.
“She said she had dreamt that Madeleine was on a hill and that we should search for her there.
“She gave the impression that she thought she was dead – it was a turning point for us.”

The senior detective said the land was searched but nothing was found. “That is when we decided to send the specialist dogs in. British police informed us about how they could detect the scent of death.”

He admitted that the police had been suspicious of the McCanns from the start of the investigation.

Insp Paiva added: “They disobeyed our request to keep quiet about the details of their daughter’s disappearance while we conducted our investigation. Instead they turned it into a media circus and that gave rise to some suspicions.”

He said that the McCanns should have faced prosecution for leaving their children alone. “They should have been pursued for neglect. People have been arrested for far less – even in the UK.”

The court also heard claims that Madeleine died in an accident in her family's Algarve holiday apartment and her death was covered up by her parents who then concocted a tale of kidnap.

“She died in the apartment as a result of a tragic accident and the parents simulated an abduction after failing to care of their children,” Tavares de Almeida, former chief inspector at Portimao police station during the initial months of the investigation, told the court in Lisbon.

“These were the conclusions of a police report signed by me on September 10 2007,” he added.

Lawyers for Amaral, who led the team that made the McCanns arguidos – suspects – in their daughter’s disappearance, called witnesses to support the claims outlined in his book. The McCanns arguido status was lifted after ten months in July 2008 when the Attorney General ruled there was no evidence against them.

The pair, from Rothley, Leics, came face to face with their detractor for the first time since they were officially made argiuidos in September 2007, four months after they daughter vanished days before her fourth birthday.

Mr Amaral, 50, led the initial investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3 2007 while her parents dined with friends at a tapas bar nearby. He was sacked from the case, which remains unsolved.

His book, entitled “The Truth of The Lie”, published in July 2008 claims that Madeleine died in the apartment and questions her parents’ account of events that evening.

It became a best-seller in Portugal selling more than 200,000 copies and went on to be published in six languages and made into a documentary film.

After a year long campaign the McCanns succeeded in getting a temporary injunction banning further sales and it was withdrawn from shelves last September. The couple are suing for libel becuase they believe that the book is damaging the search for their daughter by asserting that she is already dead.

They are expected to ask a judge for around £1 million in damages which they will use to pay for their own continuing hunt for their daughter, who they believe was kidnapped and could still be alive and being held somewhere.

Mr de Almeida told the court: “We have always spoken of a tragic accidental death – not homicide. The McCanns did not kill her but they concealed the body,”

Mr de Almeida, who worked under Amaral and was also taken off the case in September 2007, said the decision to designate the McCanns 'arguidos' was made by police after sniffer dogs brought to Portugal from England had carried out their searches.

Giving evidence, Mr de Almeida said that the dogs had identified blood and the scent of a human corpse inside the children's’ bedroom and the dining room of the McCanns’ holiday flat.

The animals also reacted to traces on a piece of cloth in a villa rented by the McCanns after they left the apartment and in the boot of a rental car hired by the family several weeks after Madeleine disappeared.

Mr de Almeida also complained that Portuguese police efforts to investigate the McCanns had been frustrated by their British counterparts. “We were told that the UK would not accept any investigation of the McCanns – there was a lack of co-operation,” he said.

But later he said that the theory that the parents had covered up Madeleine’s death as outlined in Amaral’s book was one reached by British police on the ground in Portugal too.

“This wasn’t something invented by Amaral,” he insisted. “It was a conclusion reached by the team of Portuguese investigators as well as British police.”

Mrs McCann wearing a dark coloured floral dress sat impassively in the front row of the court room beside her husband. The pair held hands and exchanged occasional whispers and nods as they were passed notes by interpreters informing them of court proceedings, which were carried out in Portuguese.

Mr Amaral, dressed in a dark suit and purple tie, was seated at the bench beside his legal team, fifteen feet away from the couple. He spent much of the proceedings with his eyes closed avoiding the direct gaze of the McCanns.

Tuesday’s court hearing in the Portuguese capital was an opportunity by Mr Amaral to have the temporary injunction against publication of his book overturned. Neither he nor the McCanns will be called to give evidence in the hearing which is expected to last a minimum of three days.

The case continues.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6977977/Madeleine-McCann-mothers-dream-was-turning-point-in-investigation-court-hears.html

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