Ricardo Paiva, "Kate McCann had a dream where she saw Maddie on a hillside"

[Alfred R Jones]

- Did she deny it ? If she did could the fact that Gerry didn't know about the phonecall be the reason ?

- She wasn't in the habit of losing a child but it happened.

- No idea

- Speculation based on wishful thinking.

As I have said before it's not the fact that Kate had a dream that's significant it's that Gerry chose to deny hat she had that is.

How many times does it have to be pointed out to you that Gerry did not deny Kate had a dream, he denied that Kate dreamt of Madeleine dead and buried on a hillside?! 

[mercury]

How many times does it have to be pointed out to you that Gerry did not deny Kate had a dream, he denied that Kate dreamt of Madeleine dead and buried on a hillside?!

So he went out of his way to strut outside a court (in front of the world's cameras)  from whch he was seeking 1 million squid in compensation to call Paiva a liar, that moves things on doesn't it?

[Alfred R Jones]

So he went out of his way to strut outside a court (in front of the world's cameras)  from whch he was seeking 1 million squid in compensation to call Paiva a liar, that moves things on doesn't it?

Strut?  Your word.  Liar?  Your word.  Gerry was correcting a misapprehension that was voiced in court.  Why shouldn't he?

[mercury]

Strut?  Your word.  Liar?  Your word.  Gerry was correcting a misapprehension that was voiced in court.  Why shouldn't he?

Why should he outside of court proceedings, that is the question. Who cared? And why?

[Benice]

Strut?  Your word.  Liar?  Your word.  Gerry was correcting a misapprehension that was voiced in court.  Why shouldn't he?

As this dream had just been claimed in court  to be a turning point in the investigation and had been used as evidence of Kate's culpability - he certainly had every right to comment on it.

If he had wanted to put the boot in he could have asked what kind of 'mickey mouse' police team would seriously consider a dream as being evidence at all, let alone the reason to change the course of an investigation.

I think Amaral and his team got off lightly.

[mercury]

As this dream had just been claimed in court  to be a turning point in the investigation and had been used as evidence of Kate's culpability - he certainly had every right to comment on it.

If he had wanted to put the boot in he could have asked what kind of 'mickey mouse' police team would seriously consider a dream as being evidence at all, let alone the reason to change the course of an investigation.

I think Amaral and his team got off lightly.

What is the evidence that this phone call proved to Paiva kate's culpability?

[Benice]

What is the evidence that this phone call proved to Paiva kate's culpability?

Well if not - then why was it even mentioned at all?  I think we can assume that 'the turning point' which this dream had apparently caused was not 'turning' the case away from Kate but being used as proof of her guilt.  How bizarre is that?

I'm still waiting for a sceptic to give their opinion on what they think of a police force which actually considers a dream to be major evidence against the person who had the dream!!   

IT'S A DREAM! fgs    (said in the same tone as IT'S A PUPPET!!)

[G-Unit]

On the contrary Faith - it's the fact that a DREAM was actually considered as a turning point in the case by the policemen investigating it which is significant.    What does that say about their professionalism?  It was a dream FGS!      If SY had made the same claim I would think they were all off their rockers.   I can't believe that anyone with even a modicum of intelligence would not think the same.

Gerry did not deny Kate had a dream.  He denied that she had a dream that Madeleine was dead and buried somewhere - a statement which concurs with Paiva's own description of what she had told him.

People in deep grief do have intensely vivid dreams about their loved ones.   It's perfectly normal and certainly not evidence that they have committed a crime.  That is a preposterous claim for the PJ to make IMO.

Is there a transcript anywhere of what Paiva actually said in court? I can't find one anywhere.

[Benice]

Is there a transcript anywhere of what Paiva actually said in court? I can't find one anywhere.

Sorry G - I'm useless at searching - but it may be in the court transcripts that we have somewhere here.  IIRC the court case was not the first mention of the dream.

[G-Unit]

Sorry G - I'm useless at searching - but it may be in the court transcripts that we have somewhere here.  IIRC the court case was not the first mention of the dream.

This was the earlier court testimonies when the book ban was being discussed; January 2010. I can't find any transcripts for that time.

[Alfred R Jones]

Why should he outside of court proceedings, that is the question. Who cared? And why?

Maybe he cared and maybe because there were a number of waiting journos outside the court it was the ideal opportunity to set the record straight?  Crazy logic I know!

[Brietta]

What is the evidence that this phone call proved to Paiva kate's culpability?

Why the constant disingenuity  and the apparent inability to Google information?  Quite tiresome.


**Snip
Pivot: Gerry McCann repudiated the PJ Inspectors who stated in court that their daughter Madeleine is dead. The father of the child disappeared in the Algarve, accuses therefore the Inspector Ricardo Paiva of lying, when he said that his wife Kate called him, in the summer of 2007, telling that she had a dream where her daughter was dead and buried at hill in Praia da Luz. The PJ inspector said that this dream was decisive to change the course of investigations.

Voice over (Sandra Felgueiras): After yesterdays absolute silence, Gerry and Kate arrived at the civil court at 9:30 am, ready to blow off steam.

SF: How did you support hearing the inspectors repeating that Madeleine is dead and that you are involved?

Gerry McCann: The most important thing yesterday was what the prosecutor said, there's absolutely no evidence that Madeleine is dead.

Voice Over: At the same moment Gonçalo Amaral made a completely different assessment of the statements given yesterday by the former investigation colleagues. And even by the actual Nº2 of the PJ.

Gonçalo Amaral: Since yesterday I'm not the only one speaking, I can't say anything further since I'm in a injunction, so, about certain facts it's not only me talking. I'm not alone regarding that.

SF: Moita Flores ended up proving or corroborating, in the morning, that Madeleine couldn't have been abducted without any traces. During two hours, via video-conference, the former PJ inspector and actual Mayor of Santarém, praised the work done by the investigators of Madeleine's case, the same ones that Gerry McCann didn't spare criticism on his way out of the court, to go to London.

GM: It's particularly disappointing that certain police officers, withing Portimão, who considered us as possibly being involved in Madeleine's disappearence, have not been able to change their mind, inspite the lack of evidences. And it is this officers we are depending on for pursuing the investigation within Portugal.

GM: I would like to make absolutely clear that Kate has never had a dream, that Madeleine was buried somewhere. And, I don't know if something has been lost in interpretation, but that didn't happen.

Voice Over: Gerry declared untrue in this manner the sworn statement given yesterday by the inspector Ricardo Paiva, who, to the court explained that Kate's dream, that was told to him on the phone, two months later after the disappearance was crucial for the PJ to start investigating the hypothesis of the child being dead.

GM: We are not under trial, not at all. people may want to say that, but we were exonerated.[cut] The PJ tried... What was seen very clearly is that one thesis in particular tried to be proven, possibly more than any other.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/01/gerry-mccann-denies-pj-officers.html

[mercury]

Well if not - then why was it even mentioned at all?  I think we can assume that 'the turning point' which this dream had apparently caused was not 'turning' the case away from Kate but being used as proof of her guilt.  How bizarre is that?

I'm still waiting for a sceptic to give their opinion on what they think of a police force which actually considers a dream to be major evidence against the person who had the dream!!   

IT'S A DREAM! fgs    (said in the same tone as IT'S A PUPPET!!)

I don't know what question he was asked, the context, or anything about his deposition, so can't answer that

[mercury]

Maybe he cared and maybe because there were a number of waiting journos outside the court it was the ideal opportunity to set the record straight?  Crazy logic I know!

Yes, maybe

[mercury]

Why the constant disingenuity  and the apparent inability to Google information?  Quite tiresome.


**Snip
Pivot: Gerry McCann repudiated the PJ Inspectors who stated in court that their daughter Madeleine is dead. The father of the child disappeared in the Algarve, accuses therefore the Inspector Ricardo Paiva of lying, when he said that his wife Kate called him, in the summer of 2007, telling that she had a dream where her daughter was dead and buried at hill in Praia da Luz. The PJ inspector said that this dream was decisive to change the course of investigations.

Voice over (Sandra Felgueiras): After yesterdays absolute silence, Gerry and Kate arrived at the civil court at 9:30 am, ready to blow off steam.

SF: How did you support hearing the inspectors repeating that Madeleine is dead and that you are involved?

Gerry McCann: The most important thing yesterday was what the prosecutor said, there's absolutely no evidence that Madeleine is dead.

Voice Over: At the same moment Gonçalo Amaral made a completely different assessment of the statements given yesterday by the former investigation colleagues. And even by the actual Nº2 of the PJ.

Gonçalo Amaral: Since yesterday I'm not the only one speaking, I can't say anything further since I'm in a injunction, so, about certain facts it's not only me talking. I'm not alone regarding that.

SF: Moita Flores ended up proving or corroborating, in the morning, that Madeleine couldn't have been abducted without any traces. During two hours, via video-conference, the former PJ inspector and actual Mayor of Santarém, praised the work done by the investigators of Madeleine's case, the same ones that Gerry McCann didn't spare criticism on his way out of the court, to go to London.

GM: It's particularly disappointing that certain police officers, withing Portimão, who considered us as possibly being involved in Madeleine's disappearence, have not been able to change their mind, inspite the lack of evidences. And it is this officers we are depending on for pursuing the investigation within Portugal.

GM: I would like to make absolutely clear that Kate has never had a dream, that Madeleine was buried somewhere. And, I don't know if something has been lost in interpretation, but that didn't happen.

Voice Over: Gerry declared untrue in this manner the sworn statement given yesterday by the inspector Ricardo Paiva, who, to the court explained that Kate's dream, that was told to him on the phone, two months later after the disappearance was crucial for the PJ to start investigating the hypothesis of the child being dead.

GM: We are not under trial, not at all. people may want to say that, but we were exonerated.[cut] The PJ tried... What was seen very clearly is that one thesis in particular tried to be proven, possibly more than any other.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/01/gerry-mccann-denies-pj-officers.html

Thanks for getting tired for little disingenuous me! How exactly was I supposed to google to find the dream was a pointer to Kate's culpability. ?

So, all that says, in essence, is Gerry accused Paiva of perjury. Charming.