Ricardo Paiva, "Kate McCann had a dream where she saw Maddie on a hillside"

[faithlilly]

By the way "Faithlilly" why have you failed to correct your mistake in the opening post?

I had failed to correct it because I had failed to notice it. Apologies.

I have done so now.

[AnneGuedes]

The 'dream' was bizarrely (IMO)  being used as 'evidence' to suggest that Kate knew that Madeleine was dead and knew where her body was.      Therefore Gerry was quite right to point out that Kate did not dream anything like what was being suggested  - as part of a court case.

He said: “I’d like to make it absolutely clear that Kate has never had a dream that Maddie has been buried somewhere, and I don’t know if something’s been lost in interpretation, but that didn’t happen – not with those words, that’s for sure.”
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In the circumstances - I think he was quite right to make that clarification.

Which words exactly ? The words Inspector Paiva used for the court or the words Mrs McCann used when speaking to him on the phone ?

[faithlilly]

Well, I feel all that was necessary was for Gerry to ridicule the fact that the Portuguese investigation's  change of direction  was based on a  'dream'  (  because it was worthy of ridicule )

By  denying the dream occured at all,  or insisting that it had been misinterpreted,  Gerry looked rattled and gave  the appearance he was floundering for excuses   ( when, in truth,  Kate's dream required no excuse ...  so what if she dreamt Madeleine was dead, afterall )

Just to mention though, what I do find a bit bizarre is that Kate would be ringing a Portuguese policeman to tell him about her dreams in the first place

I believe she had family and friends around her who, you would imagine, would be more suitable confidants.

[AnneGuedes]

Just to mention though, what I do find a bit bizarre is that Kate would be ringing a Portuguese policeman to tell him about her dreams in the first place

Ricardo Paiva was a sort of liaison officer because he was fluent in English. It seems some friendship built up between him and Mr and Mrs McCann.

[icabodcrane]

Here is quite an interesting extract from Kate's book

It refers to Monday July 23rd  ( Gerry had flown to Washington the day before )

"That evening I phoned Ricardo Paiva to ask for help with a couple of letters I needed to have translated.  He sounded strange, distant;  certainly not his usual self. He mentioned the forthcoming groundsearch, adding that Encarnacao wanted to talk to us before it began. I distinctly remember him saying, 'Our investigation will be changing direction.'  Danie Krugel's report had given them a bit of a jolt, he told me"

That's it,  Kate mentions no other calls to Paiva, and makes no mention at all about any dream

[faithlilly]

Thank you.  I had mentioned it already once before and assumed (wrongly as it turns out) that you had chosen to ignore me.

ETA - I withdraw the thanks as I see you have facetiously changed the wording to say that Kate dreamt she saw Madeleine's body on a hillside when she said nothing of the sort.

Martha if only you put half as much effort into finding Madeleine as you do into correcting posts she my well have been recovered by now.

[Redblossom]

Here is quite an interesting extract from Kate's book

It refers to Monday July 23rd  ( Gerry had flown to Washington the day before )

"That evening I phoned Ricardo Paiva to ask for help with a couple of letters I needed to have translated.  He sounded strange, distant;  certainly not his usual self. He mentioned the forthcoming groundsearch, adding that Encarnacao wanted to talk to us before it began. I distinctly remember him saying, 'Our investigation will be changing direction.'  Danie Krugel's report had given them a bit of a jolt, he told me"

That's it,  Kate mentions no other calls to Paiva, and makes no mention at all about any dream

Ommission doesnt mean it never happened, likewise, Paiva cant be lying about said phone call, she obviously called hm mentioning a dream....thats all and Gerry acted like a defensive rooster about it, because, IMO Kate had inserted the dreaded possibly dead theme into it, just like he got so incensed here

[icabodcrane]

It's interesting, too, that Kate wrote her book  after the hearing in Lison, and after Paiva made the telephone call about the dream public  ( which Gerry later denied )

Yet this is all Kate has to say about it :

"A little while later, up popped Ricardo Paiva, who surprised me by remaining calm, even if he did contradict himself during his testimony. Paiva said he believed Goncalo Amaral's assertion that Madeleine was dead and that Gerry and I had staged a kidnap"

She makes no mention of the fact that he testified about the call she had made to him about her dream  ...  she does  not say he was lying, or even that he had misinterpreted what she had said  ...  no mention at all

[AnneGuedes]

from Kate's book

Danie Krugel's report had given them a bit of a jolt, he told me"
How do you understand this, Icabodcrane ?

[faithlilly]

What an odd thing to say. I rarely ask people to correct posts.  Are you attempting to deflect from your patent dishonesty again?

If Kate McCann had told Paiva that she had had a dream about Madeleine's body on a hill why did Paiva only have "the impression" that Kate was referring to Madeleine as dead why was he not certain that that is what she meant and why did he not use the word's "Madeleine's body" to describe what Kate had said to him?

Perhaps you could correct your OP again to reflect the facts, rather than your rather biased assumption.

Tell me Martha did Paiva give his evidence to court in Portuguese ? Could something have been lost in translation ? We are all aware of how the BBC royally mangled one of Amaral's comments.

[Redblossom]

It's interesting, too, that Kate wrote her book  after the hearing in Lison, and after Paiva made the telephone call about the dream public  ( which Gerry later denied )

Yet this is all Kate has to say about it :

"A little while later, up popped Ricardo Paiva, who surprised me by remaining calm, even if he did contradict himself during his testimony. Paiva said he believed Goncalo Amaral's assertion that Madeleine was dead and that Gerry and I had staged a kidnap"

She makes no mention of the fact that he testified about the call she had made to him about her dream  ...  she does  not say he was lying, or even that he had misinterpreted what she had said  ...  no mention at all

her book is a very cleverly contrived and deceptive account of events IMHO
 

[faithlilly]

So you're now basing your assumption on another assumption are you?  That something may have been lost in translation?  Very poor show.

Not assuming just posing the question.   

[faithlilly]

Maybe that's because he didn't lie?  He only said that Kate told him she had dreamt she had seen Madeleine on a hill, remember?

She does however say that he contradicts himself as well - perhaps this is a polite, non-libellous way of suggesting he wasn't entirely truthful in court...? >@@(*&)

In what way would it be libellous if it's the truth ? As to Kate missing an opportunity to insult, have you read her book ? You know the one in which she calls Paiva a 'f**king t*sser' ?

[AnneGuedes]

she calls Paiva a 'f**king t*sser' ?

Amazing CR neglected this.

[Redblossom]

In what way would it be libellous if it's the truth ? As to Kate missing an opportunity to insult, have you read her book ? You know the one in which she calls Paiva a 'f**king t*sser' ?

KM has form in blaming and insulting people for failing to search, or search properly, for daring to go to bed after searchng all night and not being there at 6am,(when she finally decided to go out, and spend A WHOLE HOUR looking for her baby,) and find her child when they tried to do so, and in casting aspersions aganst innocent people and govts and countries, gosh, she even lambasted her priest cos he had a smiley face and her neighbours and many others!!! Along the line, and not forgetting she eants a million quid off mr amaral and wanting him to be miserable and live in fear but she forgives the abductor

Nice woman