Was there a connection between the phone ping and the report of a child crying on Tue 1st May?

[Mrs. B]

OK, so nobody has a list of actual phone calls made on 1st of May from Kate McCanns' mobile phone?

[icabodcrane]

OK, so nobody has a list of actual phone calls made on 1st of May from Kate McCanns' mobile phone?

Do you believe that Kate didn't  use her phone that night then  ?   ...  based on what  ?   (  why would you assume that the  'pings'  were something  'other'  than Kate using her phone  ?  ) 

[DCI]

Do you believe that Kate didn't  use her phone that night then  ?   ...  based on what  ?   (  why would you assume that the  'pings'  were something  'other'  than Kate using her phone  ?  )

Do you believe that Kate did use her phone that night then?  based on what?  Why would you assume the 'pings' were Kate using her phone ?

[Mrs. B]

Do you believe that Kate did use her phone that night then?  based on what?  Why would you assume the 'pings' were Kate using her phone ?

For no reason, is my guess.  When I go for dinner, I leave my mobile phone either at home, or make sure to have it turned off. When I get home I very often have missed calls, SMS in by inbox etc. That doesn't mean that I was home, mobile phones aren't surgically attached to people. And does nobody wonder how the PJ officers investigating the phone records managed to totally miss Kate McCann making outgoing phone calls on the 1st May?

[DCI]

For no reason, is my guess.  When I go for dinner, I leave my mobile phone either at home, or make sure to have it turned off. When I get home I very often have missed calls, SMS in by inbox etc. That doesn't mean that I was home, mobile phones aren't surgically attached to people. And does nobody wonder how the PJ officers investigating the phone records managed to totally miss Kate McCann making outgoing phone calls on the 1st May?

So do I Mrs B. I usually have text messages to say, I've missed a call, or my provider sends 3 texts, each time I top up. Plus the usual annoying rubbish from ads!

[Redblossom]

Where is the document showing that Kate McCann's phone was pinged the evening of the 1st May?

In the PJ files, as stated above, the only records in the files that are available start on the 2nd May so on what information is the ping on the 1st May based?

The document the ping map is based on is here

Outro aspensos telephone file 13 page 169 under the tab, original dvd images

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/

It clearly shows the phone was activated on Tuesday night.

And no, the phone ping records start from 28th April right through to September. What isnt available is the *detailed* phone records for the 1st May, as they are from 2-4 May, showing whether each ping was an oncoming or outgoing call or SMS and showing telephone numbers as well. This  is because initially that is all that was asked for (those three dates). So basically there is no way of knowing in what way the phone was activated and who by. ETA Unless the info is hiding somewhere in the files, as we seem to have Gerry Mccanns and two others' detailed records from Vodaphone from 28/4 to early September but not all of the groups

[Mrs. B]

So do I Mrs B. I usually have text messages to say, I've missed a call, or my provider sends 3 texts, each time I top up. Plus the usual annoying rubbish from ads!

Yes, & each of those would represent a ping - however, if you make a phone call, your service provider will be able to provide exact details of duration of the call, exact time when call was made & recipient number of that call. That would specifically refer to OUTGOING calls, as we PAY for them. All detailed on our bills. However, some apparently would like to think Kate McCann wasn't charged for using her mobile phone. Perhaps Vodafone was "in on it" too?

[Carana]

On roaming, I also get charged for incoming calls, text messages, missed calls, reminders to consult my voicemail, reminders about roaming charges...

[Redblossom]

Yes, & each of those would represent a ping - however, if you make a phone call, your service provider will be able to provide exact details of duration of the call, exact time when call was made & recipient number of that call. That would specifically refer to OUTGOING calls, as we PAY for them. All detailed on our bills. However, some apparently would like to think Kate McCann wasn't charged for using her mobile phone. Perhaps Vodafone was "in on it" too?

Did you ignore my post  which gave you the info you were asking for for a specific reason? We dont HAVE Kates detailed phone records, thats it, end of. her being charged or not for using the phone and the rest of your biased imaginary machinations has absolutely nothing to do with anything here except to derail and confuse.

[Mrs. B]

On roaming, I also get charged for incoming calls, text messages, missed calls, reminders to consult my voicemail, reminders about roaming charges...

Yes and all those would come up as a ping on your phone, though you may not be charged for that, but you will be charged for outgoing calls, they will be detailed on your phone records with the service provider, details of which the PJ clearly had as they stated Kate McCann had NOT made any phone calls on the 1st May. A ping map is not proof of outgoing phone calls, it's as simple as that.

[Redblossom]

Yes and all those would come up as a ping on your phone, though you may not be charged for that, but you will be charged for outgoing calls, they will be detailed on your phone records with the service provider, details of which the PJ clearly had as they stated Kate McCann had NOT made any phone calls on the 1st May. A ping map is not proof of outgoing phone calls, it's as simple as that.

Can you provide a cite where the Pj said she never made any calls on 1st May, and if so, why didnt you provide it pages back???? A link to Kate Mccans phone records from the files that show this would also be handy to prove this, tia

[Mrs. B]

Kate McCann - mobile phone activity April -MAY 2007

APRIL 2007

On 28th the mobile phone that is owned by Kate Healy makes its first record in Portugal, as already said, on the antenna "Luz Centro 1" and from that date until the disappearance of her daughter it never leaves the coverage area of the antennae of the national operator TMN that serve village where she came to spend a week on holiday.

MAY 2007

Admitting [acknowledging] that Madeleine had disappeared between 21:00 and 22:00 [4] on 3rd, it is observed that the last record of the mobile phone of Kate prior to the occurrence [event] occurs at 13:34:53 and the first after the tragic happening was at 23:14:51.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm

[Redblossom]

Kate McCann - mobile phone activity April -MAY 2007

APRIL 2007

On 28th the mobile phone that is owned by Kate Healy makes its first record in Portugal, as already said, on the antenna "Luz Centro 1" and from that date until the disappearance of her daughter it never leaves the coverage area of the antennae of the national operator TMN that serve village where she came to spend a week on holiday.

MAY 2007

Admitting [acknowledging] that Madeleine had disappeared between 21:00 and 22:00 [4] on 3rd, it is observed that the last record of the mobile phone of Kate prior to the occurrence [event] occurs at 13:34:53 and the first after the tragic happening was at 23:14:51.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm

oh dear, Mrs B, that only details the last use of the phone directly before and after the disappearance On the THIRD of MAY


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[Mrs. B]

Yes, the PJ report details PHONE CALLS made,  not pings. From April onwards, so they obviously must have had the service provider lists even if the underlying file doesn't appear in the published material.

[Redblossom]

Yes, the PJ report details PHONE CALLS made,  not pings. From April onwards, so they obviously must have had the service provider lists even if the underlying file doesn't appear in the published material.

You still havent provided the link to where they say she made no calls on1st May, whats that sayng? When in a hole stop digging