Author Topic: Was there a connection between the phone ping and the report of a child crying on Tue 1st May?  (Read 74936 times)

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Offline sadie

That doesnt say that Mrs Fenn rang Mr Murat, it says Mr Murat rang the police saying Mrs Fenn had rung him!

It suggests there was an informal chat early on with Mrs Fenn and the GNR or PJ

come on Red.

You are argueing against yourself in that statement.  @)(++(*

Mr murat said that Mrs Fenn had rung him.  How does that equate to "That doesn't say Mrs Fenn rang  Mr Murat"?

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Deleted, read it wrong but auggests informal chats happened with Mrs Fenn inthe first few days

Why would she ring him again, after the abduction. She had already rung and told him a child was crying.

And she had given been interviewed, so where is that statement?

Witness Statement


Date: 2007/05/16


Paolo Jorge Carvaihosa da Costa


Occupation: GNR Officer


He has been a GNR officer since 1996. He is a soldier and works at the Lagos GNR post.

On 3rd May when he was at home, he was contacted by the GNR post commander who asked him to go to P da L.

He arrived at the OC at 00.05 on 4th May having contacted his colleague Nelson Costa who informed him about the situation.

After having been informed ha began to search the perimeter of the tourist complex. First he revised the perimeter alone and was later accompanied by Officer Pimentel. During his time on the scene he did not talk to anyone.

Neither did he enter the apartment from which Madeleine had disappeared. There many people at the scene but nobody particularly drew his attention.

When asked he said that he never saw Robert Murat in all the times he visited the scene.

He does remember however, that on a day he cannot recall, an individual who identified himself as Robert, saying that he was in P da L as a translator helping the PJ, phoned the Lagos post saying:

That some foreign women, who had already been interviewed by the police, had phoned him, telling him that there was a child crying in an apartment near to them.

No more is said. Reads, ratifies, signs.
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Sadie, i amended my post on rereading,  now dont post to me again please, I am not interested in the least by ANY of your posts anymore in any way shape or form, I have promised the mods that I wont respond to you and I have kept my promise to date, until this one,  end of, take up your arguments with others, no need to goad or harrass me, youwill get nowhere
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Why would she ring him again, after the abduction. She had already rung and told him a child was crying.

And she had given been interviewed, so where is that statement?

Witness Statement


Date: 2007/05/16


Paolo Jorge Carvaihosa da Costa


Occupation: GNR Officer


He has been a GNR officer since 1996. He is a soldier and works at the Lagos GNR post.

On 3rd May when he was at home, he was contacted by the GNR post commander who asked him to go to P da L.

He arrived at the OC at 00.05 on 4th May having contacted his colleague Nelson Costa who informed him about the situation.

After having been informed ha began to search the perimeter of the tourist complex. First he revised the perimeter alone and was later accompanied by Officer Pimentel. During his time on the scene he did not talk to anyone.

Neither did he enter the apartment from which Madeleine had disappeared. There many people at the scene but nobody particularly drew his attention.

When asked he said that he never saw Robert Murat in all the times he visited the scene.

He does remember however, that on a day he cannot recall, an individual who identified himself as Robert, saying that he was in P da L as a translator helping the PJ, phoned the Lagos post saying:

That some foreign women, who had already been interviewed by the police, had phoned him, telling him that there was a child crying in an apartment near to them.

No more is said. Reads, ratifies, signs.

Sorry where is it that shows she rang murat twice? And also how do you know it was mrs fenn that spoke to him? No names were mentioned, could  have been anyone, and what do you mean ring him again after the abduction? Surely all and any calls would have been after it
« Last Edit: June 21, 2013, 08:07:40 PM by Redblossom »

Offline Carana


This was the OP.


 Mrs Fenn heard a child cryng for ages night of May 1st
« on: June 15, 2013, 09:23:44 PM »

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has this anything to do with Kate Mccann being on her  mobile that night so much more than other nights? In fact she never used her phone on any other night before 4th May past 7 or 8

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ping/phonemapKate1mei.jpg

Kates phone pings 1st may

compare to all the rest


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_PING.htm
« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 07:38:00 PM by Redblossom »



Has anything more than signals between cell towers and non-switched-off phones revealed anything significant concerning Kate's phone on that evening?

Redblossom

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This was the OP.


 Mrs Fenn heard a child cryng for ages night of May 1st
« on: June 15, 2013, 09:23:44 PM »

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has this anything to do with Kate Mccann being on her  mobile that night so much more than other nights? In fact she never used her phone on any other night before 4th May past 7 or 8

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ping/phonemapKate1mei.jpg

Kates phone pings 1st may

compare to all the rest


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_PING.htm
« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 07:38:00 PM by Redblossom »



Has anything more than signals between cell towers and non-switched-off phones revealed anything significant concerning Kate's phone on that evening?
no thats we are asking if thats ok, there are NO detailed records of kates mobile phone usage, bar 2-3-4 may as opposed  to detailed usage of others which stretch from 28 april to early sept

though Mrs B think she found some look forward to the info
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Which doesnot exist
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« Last Edit: June 21, 2013, 08:03:21 PM by Redblossom »

Offline Carana

no thats we are asking if thats ok, there are NO detailed records of kates mobile phone usage, bar 2-3-4 may as opposed  to detailed usage of others which stretch from 28 april to early sept


Who is we?

If there were any, what did the PJ do with them?

Offline Jazzy

Can I ask, is there any record of kate's mobile use before this date?  Was she often on her mobile?

Offline Jazzy


Who is we?

If there were any, what did the PJ do with them?

My mistake, cross post. Am I right in understanding then : there is no record of mobile usage habits?

Offline Carana

My mistake, cross post. Am I right in understanding then : there is no record of mobile usage habits?

There is a long report on phone usage.

However, I haven't found anything to link cell tower pings  concerning Kate's phone and any communications on the evening of 1 May related to that phone.






Offline Carana

Should the PJ have required from Mrs Fenn to pass an audition test since she said a thing and Mrs McCann, though she was out, another one ? You have to admit a test would have been humiliating. Much easier was to reconstruct ! And much efficient too !

BTW Mrs Fenn explained why she didn't run to the police station to reveal a crying episode that impressed her enough to call a friend on the phone... Ah, but this friend has never been checked, isn't it ?

I'm not sure what you mean.


Have you found a statement from the friend that she called? It might have been useful to double-check the time, date and any other details.



Offline sadie

Sadie, i amended my post on rereading,  now dont post to me again please, I am not interested in the least by ANY of your posts anymore in any way shape or form, I have promised the mods that I wont respond to you and I have kept my promise to date, until this one,  end of, take up your arguments with others, no need to goad or harrass me, youwill get nowhere
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8((()*/  Glad i helped you to spot your mistake, Red, and that you have amended it.

That's Ok if you are not interested in any of my posts anymore.  I am glad that you wont respond anymore because I dont take kindly to being repeatedly called some of the names you have repeatedly and abusively called me.  I am not a cow and neither am I a liar.   Neither have i enjoyed being goaded and harrassed by you.

So lets get on with the discussion, which is what it should be.   8((()*/

If necessary I shall respond to your posts and so long as you are polite, I will be too.  I am polite by nature, but I will not tolerate people falsely calling me a liar and such like.  OK?

Now lets shake hands and get on with it again..  Shall we?

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You didnt help me in anything at all Sadie, I revised my post without anyones help thanks, and I ask once agan, please refrain from posting to me, I have no wish to converse with the likes of you, thanks in advance otherwise I will report you for continual harrassment, cheers


Redblossom

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Who is we?

If there were any, what did the PJ do with them?

There is no evidence there were any

Redblossom

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My mistake, cross post. Am I right in understanding then : there is no record of mobile usage habits?

There are detailed records over three volumes of the files for mobile phone usage, from April to September, KMs appears nowhere apart from a small section  covering 2-3-4 May