Was there a connection between the phone ping and the report of a child crying on Tue 1st May?

[stephen25000]

You object to the public being asked to look for Madeleine!!???     Poor little girl.

Don't be stupid.

Now exactly what would she look like if she was alive ?

[Benice]

Don't be stupid.

Now exactly what would she look like if she was alive ?

Probably quite like the latest computer analysis piccie of how she would look today - which Andy Redwood referred to.   

Anyway, are you saying people should not be looking for her on the grounds that no-one knows for sure exactly what she looks like?   Is your message  'Don't bother to give her another thought'.?   If so, then how mean is that.

[AnneGuedes]

May be the public should look for, instead a virtual young girl, any child likely victim of bad treatments. Remember Cosette, Oliver Twist, etc.

[sadie]

May be the public should look for, instead a virtual young girl, any child likely victim of bad treatments. Remember Cosette, Oliver Twist, etc.

you are not sickening for something are you Anne?

[stephen25000]

Probably quite like the latest computer analysis piccie of how she would look today - which Andy Redwood referred to.   

Anyway, are you saying people should not be looking for her on the grounds that no-one knows for sure exactly what she looks like?   Is your message  'Don't bother to give her another thought'.?   If so, then how mean is that.

The image is just that, an image.

Meanwhile  Benice, have you been out searching for Madeleine ?

Would you stop someone in the street and grab hold of them, and then call the police ?

What would you do, if yes is your answer, and the people with the girl took offense with your behaviour ?

[sadie]

The same SY team who got it badly wrong in the Jill Dando case.

Redwood who asked the other day for people to look for Madeleine !

i.e. He literally hasn't a clue.

There is more than one way of looking, Stephen.

I am still actively looking.

[Carana]

Amaral said someone made a note of how often, they checked the children?

At the time when the Irish tourist reportedly saw Gerry, there are various witness statements that place the child’s father at the Ocean Club.

They are not credible. The employees are unable to tell at what time the persons were there, for how long each one of them stayed away when they say they went to the apartments. And the group is not credible. They say that on the previous nights, every 30 minutes, each one of them went to check only on his own children; but on that night, between 9.30 and 10 p.m., someone curiously goes to check that apartment, almost every five minutes, leaving the rest unchecked.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id139.html

(21 July interview). Correction: 24 July.


I've no idea where he got that idea from...

[sadie]

Just more make believe and story telling, Carana

To try and bull up his argument.

Where in the rog statements does it say every 5 minutes?  It is just make believe by Amaral.

In actual fact it was every half hour with an additional check by Matt



The whole case seems to have been riddled with disiformation, twisted facts, myths, propaganda and downright lies to try and "prove" Amarals ideas

.... and make his libel non-libellous, in the eyes of the trusting.

[DCI]

At the time when the Irish tourist reportedly saw Gerry, there are various witness statements that place the child’s father at the Ocean Club.

They are not credible. The employees are unable to tell at what time the persons were there, for how long each one of them stayed away when they say they went to the apartments. And the group is not credible. They say that on the previous nights, every 30 minutes, each one of them went to check only on his own children; but on that night, between 9.30 and 10 p.m., someone curiously goes to check that apartment, almost every five minutes, leaving the rest unchecked.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id139.html

(21 July interview).

I've no idea where he got that idea from...

Its the 24th July interview Carana.

Terrible memory he seems to have 

So all employee's would know the children were in the apartment

Chapter 2

During the parents' dinner, the children again sleep alone. A restaurant employee notes on the reception register that certain members of the group get up in turn to go and make sure they are OK.

He confirms some myths, though!

THE REPORTS LEAVE A LOT TO BE DESIRED

Chapter 3

Why have their beds been stripped? If the sheets had not been removed, traces of their presence could have been found there.

MISSING PERSONS POSTER IS ISSUED

In the afternoon, WE ask the Public Minister for authorisation to issue a missing persons poster to the press. It is published on May 5th, accompanied by a photo of the child and telephone numbers.

[Redblossom]

 

Personally I would no more allow anyone I had only just met  - and knew nothing about  - to spend hours alone in my apartment with my children, any more than I would have dreamed of doing that at home.

i suppose crb checked young female nannies who look after kids all day  have a long history of abusing children they are paid for by Mark Warner to babysit at night. Is that it? And that probably impossible scenario is more of a risk than leaving three toddlers on their own in a flat open to all and sundry  let alone the danger of them potentially waking and coming to harm night after night? Ok then. Fuzzy logic. i suppose also by that logic no one would use the night creche either, just imagine charlotte pennington or cat baker abusing them kids,hey? Pathetic in reality, anyone that paranoid would also think a potential abuser could enter their open flat! and not that it would never ever have crossed their minds!

Eta
And lets not forget what they said, it was a long way to the millenium and they didnt have a buggy, so when they realised they could eat at the Tapas Bar just fifty metres away, they thought great! Inferring it would be easier for the children, only they decided not to take the children, quoting it was not their routine to stay up past 7 pm or whatever. Different excuses!

[AnneGuedes]

I disagree Anne -  In her book Kate says

Tonight (2nd May)  it was Rachael's turn to be feeling a bit under the weather and she gave dinner a miss, remaining in her apartment next to ours.  The only other difference was that after dinner we ventured into the enclosed bar area - where it was, to my relief, warmer - for a liqueur.    As a result we went back to our apartments a little later than normal.  It also meant that the time between our last check of the children and our return was longer, closer to 45 minutes.
End quote

Kate has no problem admitting that on that one occasion they exceeded the 30mins 'rule'.  If she had not wanted that to be 'revealed' as you are implying  - she wouldn't have included that info in her book.

Personally I would no more allow anyone I had only just met  - and knew nothing about  - to spend hours alone in my apartment with my children, any more than I would have dreamed of doing that at home.

One occasion OK, two occasions, hum hum, and you neglect the fact that Mrs Fenn heard crying, she wasn't checking the checks..
They left their kids in the creche all day with the same nannies they "knew nothing about and had just met", who made a bit extra money at night ! Couldn't they check the sitter once in a while as well, in order to be very sure ?
Personally you would prefer to leave your kids alone than sleeping under the control of someone they're familiar to in day time but not at night ?

[faithlilly]

Just more make believe and story telling, Carana

To try and bull up his argument.

Where in the rog statements does it say every 5 minutes?  It is just make believe by Amaral.

In actual fact it was every half hour with an additional check by Matt



The whole case seems to have been riddled with disiformation, twisted facts, myths, propaganda and downright lies to try and "prove" Amarals ideas

.... and make his libel non-libellous, in the eyes of the trusting.

Oldfield's May 4th statement : 'That during the meal, it was usual that every 15 minutes (as on all some of the adults went to the apartments to check if the children were sleeping'

O'Brien's May 4th statement : 'While they were eating, it was normal that every 15 minutes, one person from each apartment would go to the apartments/bedrooms make sure the children were ok. '

Tanner's May 4th statement : 'Normally, every 15 minutes a member from each apartment would go and check the bedrooms of the respective children to see if everything was all right.'

Yvonne Martin's statement : 'Taking advantage of the information that she had heard on the news, she began questioning the couple about how often they had checked on the children, obtaining the reply that people would go to see them every hour. '

Pick the bones out of that !

[Redblossom]

I dont see why anyone has a problem with the possibility that Mrs Fenn was right, and that on that night, possibly the Mccanns just not checking. After all, they felt it was so safe. And after a bottle of wine each and a good night out, they would be more relaxed about things, after having done it three nights in a row. Just because they said they checked, doesnt mean they did.

As for it being OBriens kid, if it was, why didnt he say so!

[sadie]

Oldfield's May 4th statement : 'That during the meal, it was usual that every 15 minutes (as on all some of the adults went to the apartments to check if the children were sleeping'

O'Brien's May 4th statement : 'While they were eating, it was normal that every 15 minutes, one person from each apartment would go to the apartments/bedrooms make sure the children were ok. '

Tanner's May 4th statement : 'Normally, every 15 minutes a member from each apartment would go and check the bedrooms of the respective children to see if everything was all right.'

Yvonne Martin's statement : 'Taking advantage of the information that she had heard on the news, she began questioning the couple about how often they had checked on the children, obtaining the reply that people would go to see them every hour. '

Pick the bones out of that !

Well I thought that I had answered this, but seems not.

Every 15 minutes is NOT every 5 minutes as .. was it Amaral? ..was saying

These are the statements aparantly of the other tapas members.  I haven't checked them btw.



Kate and Gerry are very clear about the checking:  THey said nothing about every 5 minutes or every 15 minutes

1) They arrived at restaurant at 8.30
2) A sound check was made by (IIRC) Matt at 9.00
3)  Gerry wasn't satisfied with a sound check so went himself, visually checking between about 9.05 and 9.15.
4)  Matt, who possibly had picked up vibes that Gerry and Kate wanted a proper check, visually checked at about 9.40 However, he did not enter the room enough to see Madeleine ,so the check was unfortunately just the twins + no sounds from Madeleine.
5)  Kate checked and found Madeleine missing.

A visual check like this by family and friends is vastly better than a check supposedly every 30 minutes by hotel staff, who I think do not even enter the apartment.  Even if they did, who would want strangers checking their kids?  Thousands of people accept this hotel checking every year and I have never heard anyone complain about until the Mccann case.  And the Mccanns system was appreciably better.

[faithlilly]

Well I thought that I had answered this, but seems not.

Every 15 minutes is NOT every 5 minutes as .. was it Amaral? ..was saying

These are the statements aparantly of the other tapas members.  I haven't checked them btw.



Kate and Gerry are very clear about the checking:  THey said nothing about every 5 minutes or every 15 minutes

1) They arrived at restaurant at 8.30
2) A sound check was made by (IIRC) Matt at 9.00
3)  Gerry wasn't satisfied with a sound check so went himself, visually checking between about 9.05 and 9.15.
4)  Matt, who possibly had picked up vibes that Gerry and Kate wanted a proper check, visually checked at about 9.40 However, he did not enter the room enough to see Madeleine ,so the check was unfortunately just the twins + no sounds from Madeleine.
5)  Kate checked and found Madeleine missing.

A visual check like this by family and friends is vastly better than a check supposedly every 30 minutes by hotel staff, who I think do not even enter the apartment.  Even if they did, who would want strangers checking their kids?  Thousands of people accept this hotel checking every year and I have never heard anyone complain about until the Mccann case.  And the Mccanns system was appreciably better.

And leaving the children in an unsecured apartment. How was that 'appreciably' better ?