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Offline faithlilly

The Cracked Mirror.
« on: July 16, 2013, 11:18:05 PM »
An excellent starting point for anyone interested in the McCann case and not read nearly widely enough.

http://madeleinemccannaffair.blogspot.co.uk/
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline sadie

Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2013, 12:28:26 AM »
Ididn't think were allowed to post this sort of thing?

It is very similar to forum stuff and one sided arguments.  Admin is this allowed and if so, why not quotes from  forums?

Please

Offline Chinagirl

Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2013, 12:46:36 AM »
Actually, I rather hope admin. allows this to stand, as it's a good example of the flawed reasoning and misconceptions on which the so-called sceptics base their arguments.

Perhaps this forum should be reminded that things have moved on since this was written.  Scotland Yard have stated thus:

Neither her parents or any of the members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects.
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Offline sadie

Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2013, 01:01:01 AM »
If this is allowed, then I would like snoops excellent classic piece about motivation, history, opportunity  etc.

My understanding is that that wasn't allowed here.  Cant think why.  It was factual, aclaimed by all, and wasn't one sided at all.

Do you remember that CG ?

A briiliant analysis.

icabodcrane

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Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2013, 06:37:34 AM »
Goodness me  ... I't's taken me quite a while to read the complete  content of the op's link

... and what  a rational, logical , and refreshing read it is

I challenge anyone to take that on ... point by point

Go on ... convince  us sceptics by  deconstructing  the analysis  provided by the link in the op

please do   .. point  by point 

Offline Chinagirl

Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2013, 06:46:04 AM »
Not necessary.  It's been done before, and even more recently by no less an authority than Scotland Yard, who stated thus:

Neither her parents or any of the members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects.
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icabodcrane

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Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2013, 07:04:48 AM »
Not necessary.  It's been done before, and even more recently by no less an authority than Scotland Yard, who stated thus:

Neither her parents or any of the members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects.

OK  ...  you defer the challenge

Anyone else  ?

Offline Chinagirl

Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2013, 08:25:01 AM »
The investigation has moved on, Icabodcrane, since the op was written, so any challenge to Blacksmith's subjective ruminations are irrelevant now.

In fact, given that Scotland Yard have stated that they are investigating an abduction, and in light of their statement above, there is little more that can be said about this matter, from either side of the divide.
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Offline Albertini

Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2013, 09:15:29 AM »
The investigation has moved on, Icabodcrane, since the op was written, so any challenge to Blacksmith's subjective ruminations are irrelevant now.

In fact, given that Scotland Yard have stated that they are investigating an abduction, and in light of their statement above, there is little more that can be said about this matter, from either side of the divide.

I absolutely agree that is where SY say they are at the moment but of course i am sure you accept that the course and focus of investigations change over time. They should move with the evidence.

After all it was only a month or so before the McCann's were made arguidos that the PJ said they weren't suspects.

Equally i recall one of Redwood's statements which said they analysed i think it was two thirds of the documentation, so clearly the review of already gathered evidence is not complete let alone the gathering of new evidence.

I can see why the Yard appear to be pursuing the abduction scenario and my logic for that is probably best saved for another post.

However it must be said that if they pursue abduction and bring in a suspect or indeed take one to trial they will need more evidence than is in the files, and short of a confession, a defence lawyer worth his salt will have a field day.

Imagine the questioning in Court:

Prosecution: Can you tell us how you entered the apartment
Defendant: I did not enter the apartment and there is no evidence i did

Prosecution: Can you tell us how you sedated the child
Defendant: I did not sedate the child and there is no evidence i did

Prosecution: Can you tell us how you removed the child from PDL
Defendant: I did not remove the child from PDL and there is no evidence i did

And so on and so forth.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2013, 10:02:22 AM by Albertini »

Offline Chinagirl

Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2013, 09:43:56 AM »
I absolutely agree that is where SY say they are at the moment but of course i am sure you accept that the course and focus of investigations change over time. They should move with the evidence.

Quite.  I think we can be pretty confident that that is exactly what SY are doing, which is why it is a pointless exercise to analyse what Blacksmith - a blogger who knows no more about the case than any other private citizen - wrote four years ago.
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Offline Albertini

Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2013, 09:55:56 AM »
I absolutely agree that is where SY say they are at the moment but of course i am sure you accept that the course and focus of investigations change over time. They should move with the evidence.

Quite.  I think we can be pretty confident that that is exactly what SY are doing, which is why it is a pointless exercise to analyse what Blacksmith - a blogger who knows no more about the case than any other private citizen - wrote four years ago.

Yes, but of course we must ask what happens IF at the end of chasing the abduction scenario and IF they find no further concrete evidence, would you be happy, given the resources of two seperate police forces had been unable to find any firm evidence of an abductor or abduction, for the focus then of the investigation to go back to the McCann's and their group of friends and their statements?

If of course there is new evidence found to point at abduction then all well and good, let's hear and see it and then these discussions can move on.

But if not and there is nowhere for the yard to go in terms of abduction, would you support a look back at the actions and statements of the Mccann's and their travelling party?
« Last Edit: July 17, 2013, 10:02:53 AM by Albertini »

Offline Carana

Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2013, 10:50:14 AM »
Yes, but of course we must ask what happens IF at the end of chasing the abduction scenario and IF they find no further concrete evidence, would you be happy, given the resources of two seperate police forces had been unable to find any firm evidence of an abductor or abduction, for the focus then of the investigation to go back to the McCann's and their group of friends and their statements?

If of course there is new evidence found to point at abduction then all well and good, let's hear and see it and then these discussions can move on.

But if not and there is nowhere for the yard to go in terms of abduction, would you support a look back at the actions and statements of the Mccann's and their travelling party?

Wouldn't the Met have started with checking out the T9?

Offline Benice

Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2013, 10:54:50 AM »
Yes, but of course we must ask what happens IF at the end of chasing the abduction scenario and IF they find no further concrete evidence, would you be happy, given the resources of two seperate police forces had been unable to find any firm evidence of an abductor or abduction, for the focus then of the investigation to go back to the McCann's and their group of friends and their statements?

If of course there is new evidence found to point at abduction then all well and good, let's hear and see it and then these discussions can move on.

But if not and there is nowhere for the yard to go in terms of abduction, would you support a look back at the actions and statements of the Mccann's and their travelling party?


Surely as part of the investigation the McCanns and their friends will have been re-interviewed very early on. 

Even if there was nothing more they could add to the info already given, the SY officers would surely benefit from meeting them face to face thus having the opportunity to personally weigh them up - by talking to them and observing them through experienced policemen's eyes.    I would have thought that was an essential part of the enquiry.

If Amaral had done the same, then maybe we wouldn't be here now?




The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Chinagirl

Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2013, 10:59:36 AM »
Yes, but of course we must ask what happens IF at the end of chasing the abduction scenario and IF they find no further concrete evidence, would you be happy, given the resources of two seperate police forces had been unable to find any firm evidence of an abductor or abduction, for the focus then of the investigation to go back to the McCann's and their group of friends and their statements?

If of course there is new evidence found to point at abduction then all well and good, let's hear and see it and then these discussions can move on.

But if not and there is nowhere for the yard to go in terms of abduction, would you support a look back at the actions and statements of the Mccann's and their travelling party?

All those hypotheticals!  I am quite prepared to wait patiently for SY to continue their investigation in their way in their own time.

And I agree with Carana in the subsequent post that it is logical to assume that SY have already made an in depth investigation into the McCanns and their friends in order to be able to rule them out of any complicity in the disappearance of Madeleine.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: The Cracked Mirror.
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2013, 11:00:55 AM »
If there was no evidence of an abduction SY would not be embarking on a £ multi million investigation which was pushed for by the McCanns themselves.
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