Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.

[AnneGuedes]

You are not privy to all that Amaral knows. Did you ever consider that?  There are things that are known that cannot be used in a court of law due to daft Portuguese evidence-gathering loopholes.  I can't evidence it due to my source, but I trust them implicitly and they are in a position to know.  This is *probably* why Amaral has said about the McCanns... "they know I know..."

So just hypothetically lets say that there's an investigation going on in Botswana, for example. The Botswanan  nvestigating team, say, intercept a phone call or two that kind of gives away the game a little on the investigation they're working on.  Due to the fact that they failed to ask in advance and fill out the correct forms for monitoring phone calls, it's not possible for them to use the evidence they've gathered in court.  Hmm.  So what do they do?  They call in the suspects and lean on them. They lean HARD. Some of the suspects get very upset and cry because they're terrified that their clever ruse has been uncovered and they're for it, big style.  Some of the suspects even say they can't go on, it's over, they're finished.  Fortunately for the suspects and unfortunately for the police, the suspects are made of stern stuff and gather themselves and form, shall we say, a pact of silence.  They may even say that the police have got nothing on them as long as they stick together and say nothing.  They also have powerful and influential lawyers and are able to avoid further investigation.

What can the Botswanan police do?  Well one thing they may do is pretty much call off the whole investigation, say they can't establish what happened, but also indicate that they know damn well what happened and they're not looking for anyone else.

I know that some of you will not have a clue what that's all about.  That's ok, it's all a complete fabrication, of course. 

Your Botswanan example is plausible if and only if the investigated crime is a minor one. Were somebody's life at stake any "clever ruse" would be dismantled,  filled out or not the correct forms for monitoring phone calls..

[LagosBen]

Considering that all leads were followed, as can be checked in the PJ files, and that you don't give any substantiated proof that Ricardo Paiva (one of Amaral's strongest supporters) ever said that, I recommend you read (or re-read) Mark Harrison's report, the expert suggested by the british detectives (Leicestershire) that were part of he task force.

At the time all decisions were made by portuguese and british police involved in the search, and the request for this expert to become involved was formally made by Guilhermino Encarnação (Faro's PJ director).
The report was made under the assumption that, according to the expertise, a murder had been committed, the reason why the dogs (those poor vilified beautiful creatures) were called...

As you will be able to read on that report, this expert was called after the McCann called upon Krueger and his "dead find" machine from South Africa.

So, implying that it was Amaral that initiated the search for a dead Maddie is a TOTAL LIE. It was the McCann that started it..

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id293.html

Are you claiming that Paiva lied in Court?

[Luz]

I'm only surprised that he isn't up for some sort of sainthood.. 8-)(--)

You mean like Saint Kate?!!!

[gilet]

You are not privy to all that Amaral knows. Did you ever consider that?  There are things that are known that cannot be used in a court of law due to daft Portuguese evidence-gathering loopholes. I can't evidence it due to my source, but I trust them implicitly and they are in a position to know.  This is *probably* why Amaral has said about the McCanns... "they know I know..."

...

Hee hee. Coldwater used those very words so often. And so many fools believed him too.

 

And of course you know about this ACE that Amaral seems to have left up his sleeve so long it has presumably rotted. Yeah right.

 

[LagosBen]

Hee hee. Coldwater used those very words so often. And so many fools believed him too.

 

And of course you know about this ACE that Amaral seems to have left up his sleeve so long it has presumably rotted. Yeah right.

 

You do realize that many wums claim to have "ologys" of some sort or another. Flipping Country is teeming with the blighters.

[C.Edwards]

Hee hee. Coldwater used those very words so often. And so many fools believed him too.

 

And of course you know about this ACE that Amaral seems to have left up his sleeve so long it has presumably rotted. Yeah right.

 

Yeah, just keep laughing. 

[LagosBen]

You mean like Saint Kate?!!!

Sorry didn't see your answer Luz  to this question.  Are you claiming that Paiva lied in Court?

[Luz]

[quote Quote from: Luz on Today at 01:55:23 PM
Considering that all leads were followed, as can be checked in the PJ files, and that you don't give any substantiated proof that Ricardo Paiva (one of Amaral's strongest supporters) ever said that, I recommend you read (or re-read) Mark Harrison's report, the expert suggested by the british detectives (Leicestershire) that were part of he task force.

At the time all decisions were made by portuguese and british police involved in the search, and the request for this expert to become involved was formally made by Guilhermino Encarnação (Faro's PJ director).
The report was made under the assumption that, according to the expertise, a murder had been committed, the reason why the dogs (those poor vilified beautiful creatures) were called...

As you will be able to read on that report, this expert was called after the McCann called upon Krueger and his "dead find" machine from South Africa.

So, implying that it was Amaral that initiated the search for a dead Maddie is a TOTAL LIE. It was the McCann that started it..

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id293.html

Are you claiming that Paiva lied in Court?
[/quote]

Show me that he said that in Court.
In the reports I read from the first Court Trial, Ricardo Paiva is not quoted as saying such thing, on the contrary.
However, I suggest you read the document I mentioned and think with your own mind.

[LagosBen]

Deny all you like Luz but Paiva said it. Either that or JondiPaulo (sp) mis quoted.

Out of politeness I will have a look for the twitter timeline of the first Trial.

[gilet]

Considering that all leads were followed, as can be checked in the PJ files, and that you don't give any substantiated proof that Ricardo Paiva (one of Amaral's strongest supporters) ever said that, I recommend you read (or re-read) Mark Harrison's report, the expert suggested by the british detectives (Leicestershire) that were part of he task force.

At the time all decisions were made by portuguese and british police involved in the search, and the request for this expert to become involved was formally made by Guilhermino Encarnação (Faro's PJ director).
The report was made under the assumption that, according to the expertise, a murder had been committed, the reason why the dogs (those poor vilified beautiful creatures) were called...

As you will be able to read on that report, this expert was called after the McCann called upon Krueger and his "dead find" machine from South Africa.

So, implying that it was Amaral that initiated the search for a dead Maddie is a TOTAL LIE. It was the McCann that started it..

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id293.html

Why did Paiva say it in court if its a total lie?
Is it normal for Portuguese Police Officers  and ex police officers to lie in court?
That's what you seem to be suggesting.
And we all know about the cases of other ex officers don't we? Amaral? Almeida? Cristovao?

I love this blog.
http://mafiadobenfica.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/la-famiglia.html

[gilet]

Report from Court in Lisbon from Jon di Paolo about Paiva at

Live text: Afternoon session, 12 January 2010

...

4:12-- Paiva: amaral's thesis has prevented other theories from being investigated.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id297.html

Yes Luz, you are clearly suggesting that Paiva lied in court.

[C.Edwards]

Why stop with just the quote that suits?

Why not have the whole collection and pick the bones out of what this means for your idols. Or do you only pick out the words that meet your agenda? Hmm?

4:31 jondipaolo: Paiva: if she was being held somewhere publicity would be more likely to hasten her death.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 4:31 jondipaolo
4:29 jondipaolo: Paiva: we found the 'merchandising' operation with wristbands and so on very strange.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 4:29 jondipaolo
4:16 jondipaolo: Mr amaral looks like he's dozing off.
Tuesday January 12, 2010 4:16 jondipaolo

4:13 jondipaolo: Paiva: mccanns never pointed me towards any evidence that maddie was still alive.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 4:13 jondipaolo
4:12 jondipaolo: Paiva: amaral's thesis has prevented other theories from being investigated.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 4:12 jondipaolo
4:09 jondipaolo: Paiva: amaral's theories are based on the facts of the investigation.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 4:09 jondipaolo
4:09 jondipaolo: Paiva: it was scotland yard who first thought it could be a murder case.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 4:09 jondipaolo
4:04 jondipaolo: Paiva: there was total collaboration between british and portuguese police on the case.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 4:04 jondipaolo
4:03 jondipaolo: Paiva also says the mccanns were made suspects after the british sniffer dogs were brought in.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 4:03 jondipaolo
3:52 jondipaolo: Gerry has put his arm round kate as they listen to paiva's testimony.
Tuesday January 12, 2010 3:52 jondipaolo
3:47 jondipaolo: Kate whispers something in gerry's ear and gives him a little smile. He stays looking straight in front.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 3:47 jondipaolo
3:45 jondipaolo: Paiva is asked whether he ever got the impression from the mccanns they thought maddie could be dead. He says yes.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 3:45 jondipaolo
3:34 jondipaolo: Insp paiva says he was the family liaison officer for the case but was taken off at the mcanns' request.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 3:34 jondipaolo
3:33 jondipaolo: Inspector ricardo paiva, of the portuguese police, has taken the stand.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 3:33 jondipaolo
3:29 jondipaolo: Mr amaral has just walked in and we're under way.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 3:29 jondipaolo
3:28 jondipaolo: We're back in court. The mcanns are here but mr amaral is missing.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 3:28 jondipaolo
2:10 jondipaolo: The court is adjourning for lunch. Back at 3pm.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 2:10 jondipaolo
2:09 jondipaolo: The mcanns' lawyer is rebuked for saying de almeida was accused of torturing suspects - he was never charged.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 2:09 jondipaolo
2:05 jondipaolo: The mcanns' lawyer is getting quite worked up in her cross examination of de almeida.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 2:05 jondipaolo
1:54 jondipaolo: De almeida: when we asked uk for info on mccanns we got a single side of a4.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 1:54 jondipaolo
1:53 jondipaolo: De almeida: british authorities other than police hindered investigation by withholding information.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 1:53 jondipaolo
1:39 jondipaolo: De almeida: Forensic lab technicians from birmingham came to portugal so it is strange concerns were raised about contamination.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 1:39 jondipaolo
1:36 jondipaolo: De almeida: british police kept information about the mcanns to themselves.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 1:36 jondipaolo
1:35 jondipaolo: De almeida: we were controlled by the british police.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 1:35 jondipaolo
1:34 jondipaolo: British police would have found it very difficult to charge the mccanns.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 1:34 jondipaolo
1:11 jondipaolo: A report by the British police stated that one of the sniffer dogs was in a nervous, excitable state, and wanted to get into the room.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 1:11 jondipaolo
1:02 jondipaolo: The animals also found a scent on a piece of cloth in a flat rented by the McCanns after they left the apartment where Madeleine vanished.

Tuesday January 12, 2010 1:02 jondipaolo
12:58 jondipaolo: The dogs detected the traces inside the dining room of the holiday flat and in the car the McCanns were using.

[gilet]

Yeah, just keep laughing. 

I will do so. I keep seeing these characters with sources. And every one is a failure.

I am sure i won't be wrong this time.

 

[C.Edwards]

I will do so. I keep seeing these characters with sources. And every one is a failure.

I am sure i won't be wrong this time.

 

Well if it's any consolation, it won't keep me up at night worrying about you ;-)

[LagosBen]

I was ready to borrow an [ censored word] conspiracy hat there because odd for me, the tweets on a usually tidy sites are a mess...all over printed. You can read them when posted though. Then it would not let me post the whole thing on here. too many characters.

jondipaolo:
Paiva: mccanns never pointed me towards any evidence that maddie was still alive.   

Tuesday January 12, 2010 4:13 jondipaolo
 



4:12
 
Twitter
jondipaolo:
Paiva: amaral's thesis has prevented other theories from being investigated.   

Tuesday January 12, 2010 4:12 jondipaolo
 
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Twitter.htm