Fatal accidents in the home versus abductions. Is there are comparison?

[Cariad]

There's a radio 4 programme called More of Less that I listen too. this is the write up for it:

Tim Harford explains - and sometimes debunks - the numbers and statistics used in political debate, the news and everyday life

They take listeners questions regarding statistics in the news. I've been wondering if there's a way of wording an E-mail that would get them to do a feature on abduction v's accident. It's such a sensitive subject that I doubt they'll touch it with a barge pole.

I would truly love to get a statistician to look at it and work out the probability though. 

[AnneGuedes]

Yes he was known to the family and allowed to enter the home. This link has more details. He took the child out of the bath when the mother was making a phone call!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/5063664.stm

Thank you, Cariad. It beggars belief : a notorious paedophile, a 3 yrs old alone in her bath (or was his brother there too, poor boy who couldn't save her?) and a mother making (not answering) a phone call.

[Cariad]

Thank you, Cariad. It beggars belief : a notorious paedophile, a 3 yrs old alone in her bath (or was his brother there too, poor boy who couldn't save her?) and a mother making (not answering) a phone call.

Awful isn't it? I dread to think what would have happened to the little girl if the police hadn't notice that the lights were out on his car. It was just chance that they caught him.

[Redblossom]

Throwing a stone into the water:

"Sweden, the United Kingdom, Italy and the Netherlands occupy the
top four places in the league table of child injury deaths.At the
bottom of the league are the United States and Portugal, where the
rate of child injury deaths is over twice the level of the leading
countries."

http://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/repcard2e.pdf

Bit pointless on this thread which relates to stranger abductions from home and fatal accidents in the home......and the belief by the poster davel that the first is more likely than the second

 

 Figures including car accidents or other fatal causes outside the home are irrelevant here

[Redblossom]

I suspect if it were the other way around, you would be happy to accept it. What about the post yesterday about child death by mistreatment:

According to this UNICEF report

www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/violence_against.pdf

Portugal has a child death by mistreatment 10-15 times higher than the European average. Page 4, second column. To avoid accusations of anti-Iberian prejudice, Portugal has the worst rate and Spain has the best rate.

I will accept anything relevant to the thread topic and that is still irrelevant

[Cariad]

I suspect if it were the other way around, you would be happy to accept it. What about the post yesterday about child death by mistreatment:

According to this UNICEF report

www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/violence_against.pdf

Portugal has a child death by mistreatment 10-15 times higher than the European average. Page 4, second column. To avoid accusations of anti-Iberian prejudice, Portugal has the worst rate and Spain has the best rate.

We're trying to find like for like figures to compare the chances of a fatal accident in the home and being abducted from the home.

The best we've come up with is that 120 children under the age of 15 suffer a fatal accident in the home each year and 68 children are successfully abducted by stranger from anywhere each year.

We've found 3 case's of attempted abduction from the home and one  successful, though it wasn't in the 2011/12 report that pact made.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

[icabodcrane]

We're trying to find like for like figures to compare the chances of a fatal accident in the home and being abducted from the home.

The best we've come up with is that 120 children under the age of 15 suffer a fatal accident in the home each year and 68 children are successfully abducted by stranger from anywhere each year.

We've found 3 case's of attempted abduction from the home and one  successful, though it wasn't in the 2011/12 report that pact made.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for bringing the thread back on topic cariad

[Redblossom]

And I thought we had been led to believe that the Portuguese were always attentive to their children, unlike callous Brits.

Seems the stats disagree.

The stats disagree?
 

The stats of child deaths by any means has nothng to do with attentiveness.....seeing as USA is bottom of the pile I suppose they are the most unattentive parents in the world

Now in your vast knowledge Im sure you might contribute to the thread topic and prove davel has a point in saying in saying stranger abductions from home are more common an fatal accidents there! Wont hold my breath

[Redblossom]

US stats are distorted by a dreadful litany of gun deaths- usually handguns kept in nightstands.

Even if that is the case still doesnt support your assertion that the unicef report suggests any link between death and unattendance

You havent given your opinion on davels position yet, Im curious....do yu believe that it is more likely a child will be stolen from their own home by a stranger an having a fatal accident?

[Redblossom]

I did not make that assertion- another straw man argument.

There is a difference in meaning between attentive and attendance. look it up.

Sorry edited my previous post await your reply

[Mr Gray]

lets just get straight what I actually said

you have managed to supply one example, not the thousand hits from google that you expected, fatal accidents in the home, not involving stairs or fires are incredibly rare. Stranger abduction from the home is almost certainly more common

Now that is entirely different to abductions are more common than fatal accidents

[Victoria]

I suspect if it were the other way around, you would be happy to accept it. What about the post yesterday about child death by mistreatment:

According to this UNICEF report

www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/violence_against.pdf

Portugal has a child death by mistreatment 10-15 times higher than the European average. Page 4, second column. To avoid accusations of anti-Iberian prejudice, Portugal has the worst rate and Spain has the best rate.

That is astonishing. I hope for the sake of the children of Portugal that these findings are acted upon. A public campaign might be worthwhile.

[Redblossom]

lets just get straight what I actually said


Now that is entirely different to abductions are more common than fatal accidents

Youre still wrong in that fatal accidents not involving falls or fires are incredibly rare....they are LESS rare than stranger abductions

[Mr Gray]

Youre still wrong in that fatal accidents not involving falls or fires are incredibly rare....they are LESS rare than stranger abductions

Who says so

[Redblossom]

Who says so

you posted the original assertion, you back it up