The crying incident as reported by Kate McCann.

[Silkywhiskers]

Basically if you stick with the crying being Tue night then logically the child would report it Wed morning so what some posters would do is probably use the "oh that whole Thu morning report by child never happened" line, but I think the Thu morning report did happen and refers to Wed night

I think they cried every night.

They were only overheard once by Mrs Fenn but that was enough for the entire  "Madeleine asked us where we were then moved on" bs from Kate, but only when they knew there was a witness.

[Redblossom]

I think they cried every night.

They were only overheard once by Mrs Fenn but that was enough for the entire  "Madeleine asked us where we were then moved on" bs from Kate, but only when they knew there was a witness.

But the cryng story was in their first interviews on may 4

[pegasus]

Its simple pegasus, the child cried both nights, perhaps not as much on the wednesday

Based on the hypothesis that the specific crying described by Mrs F may have had one word transcribed wrong and really be Wed night,  I thought I had showed some good consistency between the accounts of these three witnesses: the person in the thread title, the neighbor, and the child.

[Redblossom]

Based on the hypothesis that the specific crying described by Mrs F may have had one word transcribed wrong and really be Wed night,  I thought I had showed some good consistency between the accounts of these three witnesses: the person in the thread title, the neighbor, and the child.

Sorry, to attribute a single word "transcribed wrongly" (like days of the week are transcribed wrongly, granted dates and tmes may be) doesnt take into account Mrs Fenn sayng nothing to report for the Wednesday the 2nd

[Benice]

Basically if you stick with the crying being Tue night then logically the child would report it Wed morning so what some posters would do is probably use the "oh that whole Thu morning report by child never happened" line, but I think the Thu morning report did happen and refers to Wed night

You may have convinced yourself that Rachael Oldfield who was right next door for the whole of Wednesay evening didn't hear a long crying episode that was alledgedly heard by a person on another floor -  but I'm afraid you haven't convinced me.

Neither am I convinced that if Mrs Fenn could hear the patio door open - she would not have heard it open again a short time afterwards - when apparently the crying had stopped and so it would be very quiet. 

[AnneGuedes]

Based on the hypothesis that the specific crying described by Mrs F may have had one word transcribed wrong and really be Wed night,  I thought I had showed some good consistency between the accounts of these three witnesses: the person in the thread title, the neighbor, and the child.

What about getting rid of your wings, Pegasus, and get back to the ground ?

[Silkywhiskers]

They cried.

What night?  I believe every night.

It's fairly irrelevant anyway.  Even one night is enough to make most folks revise their dinner plans.

Not this crew.  They were in for a big night, yet again.

Personally i cannot drink alcohol every single day and the fact this mob did means they are a bunch of boozers at least.

Doctors!!!! Hitting the booze  [ ....moderated ...] regardless of their babies needs.
 

[pegasus]

OK. No-one agrees with me on Wed night so I see no point in suggesting a sequence for Wed night in greater detail. So back to Mrs F hearing the crying for 75 minutes on Tue night. How does the item washed Thu AM fit with your Tue night theory? Does your Tue night theory dismiss the child's report on Thu morning as fabricated?

[sadie]

They cried.

What night?  I believe every night.

It's fairly irrelevant anyway.  Even one night is enough to make most folks revise their dinner plans.

Not this crew.  They were in for a big night, yet again.

Personally i cannot drink alcohol every single day and the fact this mob did means they are a bunch of boozers at least.

Doctors!!!! Hitting the booze day and night, regardless of their babies needs.
 

Sillywhiskers

Your post is the height of silliness.

1)  You believe "they cried every night"... no evidence .... in fact to the contrary .... seems they slept well, with just one night a little disturbed per Kates statement.  There is no way that Mrs Fenns crying report can be definitely attributed to the Mccann children.  In fact it is likely to be another family cos, had one of the Mccann children started off crying loudly, then all three of them would have been at it, yelling their heads off.

2)  "They were in for a big night" <<<< so having their dinner 50 metres away is "the big night" is it?  At least you are correct that they were "in" rather than "out".  They did not go out to some fancy restaurant over 200 metres away as some of the early myths spread said.  That was pure propaganda. 

They stayed in their "back gaden" only about 50 metres away from their apartment and the group could see the patio windows from where they sat. The patio area was immediately across the road from a street lamp and light streamed through a large arched side window straight on to the patio itself, so reasonably well lit.


Having reasonable quantities of wine with a meal does not make you "a boozer".  From the statements of the waiters, only four bottles were opened and they were unfinished in one and a half hours.  Likely that wine was left in most of the glasses too.  So unfinished bottles and unfinished glasses.  Not excessive at all.

Between 9 adults eating a meal, 4 bottles is well within the norm .... and unfinished too.  They were not boozers at all.

"Boozers, day and night" ?  Day and night?  get your facts in order and pls dont say things that you have dreamt up ... [unless you specify that you dont know, but just think, maybe] ..... cos it aint fair. 

You are spreading disinformation ... a kind of propaganda.





You are also sounding very narrow minded and bigotted ...

[Eleanor]

a lot of people in france drink every day, with dinner, and france has one of the lowest rates for alcoholism and heart attacks.

[Redblossom]

OK. No-one agrees with me on Wed night so I see no point in suggesting a sequence for Wed night in greater detail. So back to Mrs F hearing the crying for 75 minutes on Tue night. How does the item washed Thu AM fit with your Tue night theory? Does your Tue night theory dismiss the child's report on Thu morning as fabricated?

Should there be a link? Between cryng episode(s) and tea stains washed out on the Thursday? You lost me.

[pathfinder73]

Should there be a link? Between cryng episode(s) and tea stains washed out on the Thursday? You lost me.

The stain could mean that Madeleine slept right through on WED with no crying at all. Maybe after the TUE crying episode something was used for the next night to help her sleep and she spat it out on to her top that had to be cleaned. It had to be mentioned in case she was found which indicates that she could be found.