Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..

[icabodcrane]

What a ridiculous statement from someone who is totally biased...just think about it..

You have lost the debate

You now have the choice of whether to be gracious in defeat   ...  or not

[Mr Gray]

You have lost the debate

You now have the choice of whether to be gracious in defeat   ...  or not

its quite interesting the way you are behaving. You have decided that you are to judge me when you have a very poor grasp of statistics...just as you have decided you should judge the McCanns when you have a poor grasp of the facts

[icabodcrane]

its quite interesting the way you are behaving. You have decided that you are to judge me when you have a very poor grasp of statistics...just as you have decided you should judge the McCanns when you have a poor grasp of the facts

 j rob directed you to Kate McCann's book in which she references Home Office statistics quoting a 16%  figure for stranger abductions   ...  that was when you lost the debate

[Mr Gray]

j rob directed you to Kate McCann's book in which she references Home Office statistics quoting a 16%  figure for stranger abductions   ...  that was when you lost the debate

 Wrong again...Kate quoted a well known figure...she didnt say it applied to Maddies case. As SY has stated you cannot apply general statistics to every case...now you have lost the argument..please be gracious in defeat

[Mr Gray]

j rob directed you to Kate McCann's book in which she references Home Office statistics quoting a 16%  figure for stranger abductions   ...  that was when you lost the debate

 let me try and help you understand another way...

April Jones...Maddie McCann..Mikaeel Kular....all at one stage potential abductions..in every case was the statistics for parental involvement 86%..no...they are all individual cases..anyone who thinks they are all 86% is bonkers..as you would now probably agree

[j.rob]

im just getting the hang of the way posters on here interpret the statistics...so basically Maddie was safer on her OWN....rather than with her family

I think it is you who is having a problem interpreting statistics. This statistic does not refer to the safety of children on their own.

It refers to 'completed child abductions'. Statistically speaking, there is an 84% chance that the parents or family are involved.

This means that out of 100 completed child abductions,  84 will have involved the parents and 16 will involve abduction by a stranger.

There is no evidence to support the view that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger. We only have the McCanns and their family and friends word on this. And given that, statistically speaking, 84% of abductions involve family, it is probably not wise to 100% trust the words of the family of the abducted child.

Especially when the family and friends claim to KNOW what happened despite allegedly not being there when it happened.

[j.rob]

let me try and help you understand another way...

April Jones...Maddie McCann..Mikaeel Kular....all at one stage potential abductions..in every case was the statistics for parental involvement 86%..no...they are all individual cases..anyone who thinks they are all 86% is bonkers..as you would now probably agree

No, the statistics do not apply to every case. A small minority of cases do not involve parents and you have highlighted some of these. The McCanns would like us to believe that Madeleine's disappearance falls into this small category. But, unfortunately, their actions and behaviours do not support this.

There is no evidence for a stranger abduction in Madeleine's case, and there is incriminating behaviour from the McCanns and their friends.

Therefore, in my opinion, the disappearance of Madeleine is likely to fall into the 84% statistic.

[Mr Gray]

No, the statistics do not apply to every case. A small minority of cases do not involve parents and you have highlighted some of these. The McCanns would like us to believe that Madeleine's disappearance falls into this small category. But, unfortunately, their actions and behaviours do not support this.

There is no evidence for a stranger abduction in Madeleine's case, and there is incriminating behaviour from the McCanns and their friends.

Therefore, in my opinion, the disappearance of Madeleine is likely to fall into the 84% statistic.

 Now we are getting somewhere...so its only your opinion

[Benice]

No, the statistics do not apply to every case. A small minority of cases do not involve parents and you have highlighted some of these. The McCanns would like us to believe that Madeleine's disappearance falls into this small category. But, unfortunately, their actions and behaviours do not support this.There is no evidence for a stranger abduction in Madeleine's case, and there is incriminating behaviour from the McCanns and their friends.

Therefore, in my opinion, the disappearance of Madeleine is likely to fall into the 84% statistic.

Only in your opinion.   IMO their actions and behaviour completely support an abduction.   That is also the opinion of SY.    There is evidence of stranger abduction - the fact that you don't want to believe it doesn't negate it.




 

[j.rob]

Now we are getting somewhere...so its only your opinion

Well, no.....actually I think you will find that a great many people, including some members of the police, believe that the McCanns had something to do with their daughter's disappearance.

[j.rob]

Only in your opinion.   IMO their actions and behaviour completely support an abduction.   That is also the opinion of SY.    There is evidence of stranger abduction - the fact that you don't want to believe it doesn't negate it.

It is only the McCann's opinion that their daughter was abducted by a stranger. There is no evidence to support this theory. Whether the police believe them or not, I have no idea. I would like to believe that there minds are open which is what you would hope with a criminal investigation.

[stephen25000]

It is only the McCann's opinion that their daughter was abducted by a stranger. There is no evidence to support this theory. Whether the police believe them or not, I have no idea. I would like to believe that there minds are open which is what you would hope with a criminal investigation.

That is precisely the point.

No evidence of abduction and if there was no abduction.....................

[Benice]

It is only the McCann's opinion that their daughter was abducted by a stranger. There is no evidence to support this theory. Whether the police believe them or not, I have no idea. I would like to believe that there minds are open which is what you would hope with a criminal investigation.

SY do believe them - unless you think they are part of some huge conspiracy?   And what would be the reason for that?

It's nonsense to say there is no evidence.   The shutters/window in Madeleine's bedroom were opened by someone - and it wasn't the McCanns or their friends.  Therefore it was a stranger.    That is what SY believe - otherwise they would not have ruled out the McCanns and their friends from the enquiry.

Those are the facts.  Unlike us, SY have all the professionally translated files, the expertise and experience of over 30 police officers and the ability to interview people whom we can't,  and therefore know vastly more about this case that we can ever hope to.     How people can keep ignoring that monumental fact of life is beyond me.

   

[Benice]

That is precisely the point.

No evidence of abduction and if there was no abduction.....................

There was no evidence of an abduction in the Ben Needham case - and only the family's word for what happened - and if there was no abduction..............?

[stephen25000]

There was no evidence of an abduction in the Ben Needham case - and only the family's word for what happened - and if there was no abduction..............?

Shall we compare the behaviour of the mccanns who on several successive nights went to booze and eat, with the Needhams behaviour?

So Benice, what do you think happened to Ben ?

Was it :

Mr. Spotty; Mr. No Face ; Mr. Swarthy Faced Johnny Foreigner; Mr. or  Mrs. Burglar; or perhaps Mr. Sardine Muncher ?

The field is yours.