Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.

[Silkywhiskers]

In the video, what Mrs F says is that she has not spoken to journalists. The UK press were then fed stories which grossly and deliberately distorted that.

We can just add her to the bonfire of the vanities that is Team McCann.

[misty]

We can just add her to the bonfire of the vanities that is Team McCann.

Mrs Fenn is probably not  lying - she didn't knowingly speak to any journalists. But she apparently did speak to her hairdresser, and probably other folk in the community, and the local journos have jumped on the heresay & developed the story in their own unique way. It's what they get paid for.

[pegasus]

... developed the story in their own unique way...

Unique way indeed, whoever fed the journos deliberately distorted what Mrs F said.

[Silkywhiskers]

Unique way indeed, whoever fed the journos deliberately distorted what Mrs F said.

How distorted was it, considering Kate acknowledged it in her book?

[pegasus]

How distorted was it, considering Kate acknowledged it in her book?

I can't check your interesting question now but will do later.
Basically, she truthfully did not hear it, Mrs F truthfully did hear it, JIMO.

[misty]

An example of distortion, from Joana Morais blogspot


Sunday Mirror - 23/09/2007: "A key witness in the Madeleine McCann case yesterday DENIED telling cops that she heard the family screaming and arguing.

Pamela Fenn, 81, who lives above the Praia da Luz apartment Madeleine vanished from, supposedly said she heard the four-year-old "scream for four hours" the night before."

[John]

Unique way indeed, whoever fed the journos deliberately distorted what Mrs F said.

You don't need anyone to feed journalists because they make it up themselves to get a sensationalistic type headline.  The Jerry Lawton "Madeleine found in Ireland" or the "Madeleine found in Turkey" nonsense comes to mind.

I have a suspicion that journalists may have spoken to Mrs Fenn without revealing who they were or even came by the stories from a third party.  Bottom line is don't believe anything you read in the Press unless it is corroborated by official sources.

[Silkywhiskers]

An example of distortion, from Joana Morais blogspot


Sunday Mirror - 23/09/2007: "A key witness in the Madeleine McCann case yesterday DENIED telling cops that she heard the family screaming and arguing.

Pamela Fenn, 81, who lives above the Praia da Luz apartment Madeleine vanished from, supposedly said she heard the four-year-old "scream for four hours" the night before."

Isn't the Sunday Mirror one of the rags that was forced to pay the McCann for printing false stories?

[jassi]

Maybe they cried both nights.   Maybe they cried every night.

[Mr Moderator]

Maybe they cried both nights.   Maybe they cried every night.

Spot on 

Pamela Fenn was out on Wed night and Moyes weren't in PdL on Tuesday night...it isn't rocket science.

[pegasus]

Spot on 

Pamela Fenn was out on Wed night and Moyes weren't in PdL on Tuesday night...it isn't rocket science.

Tapas waiter Oliveira's statement says that Wed night was the late night.

"on Wednesday, certain elements of the group got up, with their after-dinner drinks, and headed to the bar "

[pegasus]

Pamela Fenn was out on Wed night ...

I think it was Wednesday night PF heard the crying.
Assuming that the Portugal Telecom company still has landline records for 2007, those records would prove whether the mid-crying phonecall after 23:00 from PF to EG was on the 1st, or on the 2nd.

[John]

I think it was Wednesday night PF heard the crying.
Assuming that the Portugal Telecom company still has landline records for 2007, those records would prove whether the mid-crying phonecall after 23:00 from PF to EG was on the 1st, or on the 2nd.

Heard her from the other side of town where she was visiting her friend to get away from the previous nights howling.  All makes perfect sense.

To clarify.  Mrs Fenn was at home Tue night and out visiting on the Wed night.  Ergo she had to have heard the crying child on the Tue night.

[John]

It wasn't even half an hour as Mrs Fenn heard Madeleine crying for well over an hour. 

[VIXTE]

It wasn't even half an hour as Mrs Fenn heard Madeleine crying for well over an hour.

And we can be sure that was Madeleine who cried?
How exactly this can be established?