Author Topic: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?  (Read 216423 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #405 on: February 16, 2014, 10:21:05 AM »
I suspected the pair from as early as the 4th May 2007 press appeal.

No matter how hard Kate strained she couldn't get a single real tear drop to come out for the cameras.

I've seen better acting on Eastenders.

No one with any brains watches eastenders...don't bother replying to any of my posts as from this moment on you are on ignore after your comments re simon Weston horrific injuries in the falklands...anyone who converse with you is similar s..m...imo
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #406 on: February 16, 2014, 10:25:31 AM »
No one with any brains watches eastenders...don't bother replying to any of my posts as from this moment on you are on ignore after your comments re simon Weston horrific injuries in the falklands...anyone who converse with you is similar s..m...imo

Oh, I'm heartbroken that you don't like me dave.

Do you want to hear some Madeleine McCann jokes?
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Offline Carana

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #407 on: February 16, 2014, 04:47:48 PM »
Oh, I'm heartbroken that you don't like me dave.

Do you want to hear some Madeleine McCann jokes?

What on earth is your purpose? Do you expect to get high-fived for that as well? You're just alienating yourself for some reason best known to yourself. Does that make you feel better?

Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #408 on: February 16, 2014, 05:03:14 PM »
There would have been no book either - if Amara had understood/accepted the FSS reports relating to the dogs' alerts. imo

His description of how the dogs work is completely wrong too.    He conveniently forgets to mention that Eddie alerted to blood as well as cadaverscent and that is the true reason why he was always sent in first  - or that both dogs alerted to blood from living people.   

Edidie is not sent in to search for blood but remnant cadaver scent (obviously in places where no body is there) ......he is a cadaver dog first and foremost even if he can smell blood......if he alerts then the blood dog is sent in to find forensics ie blood, that might shed light in a case, simple as that, no need to complicate matters

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #409 on: February 16, 2014, 05:09:54 PM »
Edidie is not sent in to search for blood but cadaver scent..he is a cadaver dog first and foremost even if he can smell blood......if he alerts then the blood dog is sent in to find forensics ie blood, simple as that, no need to complicate matters

Eddie was originally trained as a Victim  Recovery Dog and not as a Cadaver Dog.

Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #410 on: February 16, 2014, 05:20:35 PM »
Eddie was originally trained as a Victim  Recovery Dog and not as a Cadaver Dog.

Says who? Do you actually know the difference either? Grime says he was trained on decomposing piglets....and later in a stint in the USA on human cadavers...hardly material to help find living victims


Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #411 on: February 16, 2014, 05:26:22 PM »
Says who? Do you actually know the difference either? Grime says he was trained on decomposing piglets....and later in a stint in the USA on human cadavers...hardly material to help find living victims

Of course I know the difference, and so do you.  And you know why "Enhanced"  was added to his title. 
I really don't know why you go on telling fibs.

ferryman

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #412 on: February 16, 2014, 06:05:41 PM »
Edidie is not sent in to search for blood but remnant cadaver scent (obviously in places where no body is there) ......he is a cadaver dog first and foremost even if he can smell blood......if he alerts then the blood dog is sent in to find forensics ie blood, that might shed light in a case, simple as that, no need to complicate matters

Eddie will react to anything he is trained to react to, which includes blood.

He will also make errors (such as with cuddle-cat).


Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #413 on: February 16, 2014, 06:07:09 PM »
Of course I know the difference, and so do you.  And you know why "Enhanced"  was added to his title. 
I really don't know why you go on telling fibs.

What fibs? You have a bloody nerve don't you? LOL

For your info evrd means enhanced victim recovery dog eg evrd

enhanced comes from training in the USA on real human cadavers, so how that makes Eddie a searcher of live people is beyond me

So no he wasn't sent into 5a to find a living victim! But the remnants of a dead one, do keep up

ferryman

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #414 on: February 16, 2014, 06:12:08 PM »
What fibs? You have a bloody nerve don't you? LOL

For your info evrd means enhanced victim recovery dog eg evrd

enhanced comes from training in the USA on real human cadavers, so how that makes Eddie a searcher of live people is beyond me

So no he wasn't sent into 5a to find a living victim! But the remnants of a dead one, do keep up
I can quite see Grime wagging a stern finger at Eddie and warning him: If you detect blood, you are NOT to react it, do you understand? ....

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #415 on: February 16, 2014, 06:14:09 PM »
What fibs? You have a bloody nerve don't you? LOL

For your info evrd means enhanced victim recovery dog eg evrd

enhanced comes from training in the USA on real human cadavers, so how that makes Eddie a searcher of live people is beyond me

So no he wasn't sent into 5a to find a living victim! But the remnants of a dead one, do keep up

Eddie was originally trained to find living victims.  That's what Victim Recovery Dogs do.

Offline Benice

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #416 on: February 16, 2014, 06:17:15 PM »
Edidie is not sent in to search for blood but remnant cadaver scent (obviously in places where no body is there) ......he is a cadaver dog first and foremost even if he can smell blood......if he alerts then the blood dog is sent in to find forensics ie blood, that might shed light in a case, simple as that, no need to complicate matters

There's nothing complicated about it Red.     Both dogs could detect blood, which is why Grime did not bother to  send Keela in at all - if Eddie had made no alerts.   Grime knew there was no need to send her in because if any blood had been  present Eddie would have detected it.

Eddie was trained to detect cadaverscent and blood.   But there was no way he could tell his handler which one of the two odours he was alerting to - which is why Grime always sent Keela in afterwards.

Amaral's description of Eddie as only alerting to cadaverscent is completely wrong and therefore  misleading.






The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #417 on: February 16, 2014, 06:18:35 PM »
Eddie was originally trained to find living victims.  That's what Victim Recovery Dogs do.

Do you have a link? excuse me for asking because I know they are anathema to you

ferryman

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #418 on: February 16, 2014, 06:19:55 PM »
There's nothing complicated about it Red.     Both dogs could detect blood, which is why Grime did not bother to  send Keela in at all - if Eddie had made no alerts.   Grime knew there was no need to send her in because if any blood had been  present Eddie would have detected it.

Eddie was trained to detect cadaverscent and blood.   But there was no way he could tell his handler which one of the two odours he was alerting to - which is why Grime always sent Keela in afterwards.

Amaral's description of Eddie as only alerting to cadaverscent is completely wrong and therefore  misleading.

One exception: the inspection in the gym, where Keela was sent in first ...

Redblossom

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #419 on: February 16, 2014, 06:24:11 PM »
There's nothing complicated about it Red.     Both dogs could detect blood, which is why Grime did not bother to  send Keela in at all - if Eddie had made no alerts.   Grime knew there was no need to send her in because if any blood had been  present Eddie would have detected it.

Eddie was trained to detect cadaverscent and blood.   But there was no way he could tell his handler which one of the two odours he was alerting to - which is why Grime always sent Keela in afterwards.


You are so  very wrong Benice and promulgating the myth Eddie and Keela are sent in to detect blood only! God, heard it all now