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Offline Carana

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #135 on: March 04, 2014, 11:50:22 AM »
Those eccentric speculations about deep freeze emerged only because it passed nobody's mind that the McCanns wouldn't accomplish the funeral rituals if their daughter had died.


GA: If we take into account that, if we consider the traces that were found in the car boot…

JP: … which are in fact…

GA: … which are in fact from the little girl. In order to justify that bodily fluid as the lab says, it could only have been preserved and conserved in the cold because otherwise it would have been…

JP: That means that…

GA: … in an advanced state of decomposition, at least it’s a hypothesis. Therefore it’s a question of a deep freezer, or something similar, and there we had to search for it and that was what we were doing.
This means, the contacts that they had, where they went, where they were seen… There are people who say that they were seen entering an apartment block near the cemetery in Praia da Luz. At that point in time we weren’t able to detect which apartment they entered, who lived there, because it’s also a bit complicated because you have to understand it’s a tourist area and often it’s not known who the apartment belongs to.

JP: Of course, of course…

GA: Who lives there, for how long they live there, so all of that was being worked upon. To try to understand the support…

JP: If someone discovered a deep freezer in the area and…

GA: If it was actually a deep freezer, it doesn’t exist anymore now.



Offline Angelo222

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #136 on: March 04, 2014, 12:03:52 PM »
If you leave a window open as well.
In hot countries, people have a tendency to have white cars and to close them well to keep them cool.

A closed car is hotter inside than an open one if stationary and in full sunlight.  The McCanns had nowhere to shade their hire car from the sun thus the need to air it constantly.  Residents have the luxury of a garage or a car port which they use to keep their car reasonably cool.  Had the anonymous woman had the manners and taken the time to speak to her new neighbours she might have learned the real reason why the tailgate was usually open.  But no, it had to be turned into some conspiracy.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2014, 12:10:17 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Benice

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #137 on: March 04, 2014, 12:06:59 PM »

GA: If we take into account that, if we consider the traces that were found in the car boot…

JP: … which are in fact…

GA: … which are in fact from the little girl. In order to justify that bodily fluid as the lab says, it could only have been preserved and conserved in the cold because otherwise it would have been…

JP: That means that…

GA: … in an advanced state of decomposition, at least it’s a hypothesis. Therefore it’s a question of a deep freezer, or something similar, and there we had to search for it and that was what we were doing.
This means, the contacts that they had, where they went, where they were seen… There are people who say that they were seen entering an apartment block near the cemetery in Praia da Luz. At that point in time we weren’t able to detect which apartment they entered, who lived there, because it’s also a bit complicated because you have to understand it’s a tourist area and often it’s not known who the apartment belongs to.

JP: Of course, of course…

GA: Who lives there, for how long they live there, so all of that was being worked upon. To try to understand the support…

JP: If someone discovered a deep freezer in the area and…

GA: If it was actually a deep freezer, it doesn’t exist anymore now.



So where are those people's statements?


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #138 on: March 04, 2014, 12:07:26 PM »
A closed car is hotter inside than an open one if stationary and in full sunlight.  The McCanns had nowhere to shade their hire car from the sun thus the need to air it constantly.
A black one is hotter than a white one.
Are you sure there was no tree ?

ferryman

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #139 on: March 04, 2014, 12:09:09 PM »
I have never found this witness statement in the files. Have you?

No, I've never found the statement.

But I reckon it was a corruption of a statement that is in the file where a bag of meat burst open in the boot, the meat went off and did leave a bit of a smell that took a while to disperse.

As I recall, it was relatives of Kate and Gerry who record that episode.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #140 on: March 04, 2014, 12:12:58 PM »
It didn't pass Mr Amaral's mind that the funeral rituals would be bypassed. Hence the deep freeze myth.

Offline Carana

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #141 on: March 04, 2014, 12:24:05 PM »
It didn't pass Mr Amaral's mind that the funeral rituals would be bypassed. Hence the deep freeze myth.


That's not my understanding of my previous post quoting what he stated in an interview. There is also his "we, policemen, experts..." line (which I don't have to hand, but which is along similar lines). As he was convinced that the DNA in the boot came from a Madeleine's postmortem body fluids, the only explanation he could think of (or that he accepted) was that she had been frozen and had started to thaw.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #142 on: March 04, 2014, 12:34:34 PM »
Do they have large freezers in these holiday apartments then?   As I am assuming the Mc's would have had to recover the body from wherever they had hidden it,   to freeze her in apartment 5a?     Or are you suggesting they took her from the freezer in 5a to a freezer in the other apartment, or left her hidden wherever she was and then retrieved her when they were in the new apartment when they had the eyes of the world on them,   or did they ask a kind friend to retrieve her body and  store her in their freezer for them?

No this is the hypothesis before moving inside premises to freezer:

"Portuguese media claim that police believe Madeleine McCann was buried in a roadworks trench outside a church. It is reported the police are planning to launch a dramatic dig in the hope of finding traces of Madeleine.

However, they say they do not expect to find the youngster herself, as they do not believe it was her final resting place. According to reports, police believe the couple only buried their daughter outside the Church of Our Lady of Light temporarily."

Getting those church keys only days later makes it an interesting theory and Smithman was last seen heading in the direction of the church.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2014, 12:44:14 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Lace

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #143 on: March 04, 2014, 01:30:19 PM »
The only reference to that hypothesis is in the McCannfiles along with other false allegations,   such as blood on the window sill matching Madeleine's  etc.

In my opinion this was all speculation pathfinder.

Estuarine

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #144 on: March 04, 2014, 01:38:18 PM »
How would they have been able to freeze a body?

I didn't say they did! just that it would be possible and it has been done before.
In freezer would be a good place.

Offline Carana

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #145 on: March 04, 2014, 01:47:00 PM »
No this is the hypothesis before moving inside premises to freezer:

"Portuguese media claim that police believe Madeleine McCann was buried in a roadworks trench outside a church. It is reported the police are planning to launch a dramatic dig in the hope of finding traces of Madeleine.

However, they say they do not expect to find the youngster herself, as they do not believe it was her final resting place. According to reports, police believe the couple only buried their daughter outside the Church of Our Lady of Light temporarily."

Getting those church keys only days later makes it an interesting theory and Smithman was last seen heading in the direction of the church.

That "theory" was being peddled virtually since the beginning, from memory. How temporary is temporary with loads of people looking for her in PdL?

AnneGuedes

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #146 on: March 04, 2014, 01:54:21 PM »
How temporary is temporary with loads of people looking for her in PdL?
Sure !

ferryman

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #147 on: March 04, 2014, 01:57:24 PM »
That "theory" was being peddled virtually since the beginning, from memory. How temporary is temporary with loads of people looking for her in PdL?

Way before the files were released, there was a leak that Eddie had alerted in a church in Praia da Luz. 

I recall reading (I think) in The Times an interview the paper had somehow managed to secure with an (unnamed) PJ officer who commented on this.

He said: Of course the dog alerted in the church.  There are funerals in the church ...

Offline Angelo222

Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #148 on: March 04, 2014, 03:37:28 PM »
A black one is hotter than a white one.
Are you sure there was no tree ?

No trees capable of providing summer shade.  The car in the picture below is parked more or less where the Scenic was parked.  Something I did notice however is that the car couldn't be seen from the public road when parked 'inside' the compound as in the picture.  So looks like the neighbour was being nosey after all.

« Last Edit: March 04, 2014, 03:57:44 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

AnneGuedes

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Re: The mysterious lady who reported the car boot being open every day.
« Reply #149 on: March 04, 2014, 04:03:05 PM »
No trees capable of providing summer shade.
I'm not going to ask if the boot door was seen open in August  ?{)(**