Author Topic: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?  (Read 144848 times)

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #120 on: March 07, 2014, 01:39:37 PM »
It means that two people walking opposite directions will slightly alter their trajectories to pass without collision.

The man's general direction as marked by points P and M and A was south.
IMO its probable he continued south.
If he continued east, along R 25 Abril, that takes him toward the busiest part of town centre?

Going past the church and derelict house in the dark is not the busy town centre - the road on the right before you get to the church takes you to Kelly's bar. That lane and steps the Smiths came from takes you there and more people?
« Last Edit: March 07, 2014, 01:42:03 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #121 on: March 07, 2014, 02:27:27 PM »
Going past the church and derelict house in the dark is not the busy town centre - the road on the right before you get to the church takes you to Kelly's bar. That lane and steps the Smiths came from takes you there and more people?
If the man commences down lane of steps, there are then branches of possible route, no need to walk past fronts of bar and restaurant the witnesses had come from
« Last Edit: March 07, 2014, 02:31:11 PM by pegasus »

AnneGuedes

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Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #122 on: March 07, 2014, 02:36:51 PM »
It means that two people walking opposite directions will slightly alter their trajectories to pass without collision.

The man's general direction as marked by points P and M and A was south.
IMO its probable he continued south.
If he continued east, along R 25 Abril, that takes him toward the busiest part of town centre?
No, Pegasus. Smithman would have passed on Peter Smith's right, had he maintained his trajectory. He moved, and not slightly, to pass on his left.
25 de Abril is desert and dark, no restaurant, no pub, no nothing except leading to the church. The steps lead to animation and they are well lit because they are steps and used.
If he headed to the rocks overhanging the ocean, then there was no advantage to go down the steps instead of turning right in 25 de Abril.

Offline pegasus

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #123 on: March 07, 2014, 03:07:12 PM »
... If he headed to the rocks overhanging the ocean, then there was no advantage to go down the steps instead of turning right in 25 de Abril.
From the junction of R 25 Abril and R Escola Primeira,
the shortest route to the shore, it is to walk down Travessa das Escadhinas.
To go west on Rua 25 Abril and then south on Travessa das Fontainhas is a much longer route.
 

Offline sadie

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #124 on: March 09, 2014, 12:01:44 AM »
YES ANNE.
To be honest I find it very coincidental that when Amaral became interested in this sighting, and was arranging for Smiths to come back to Portugal etc, he was chucked off the case, then this sighting was buried.....from what i have read/recollection, he has NEVER said it wasn't Mr McCann and has kept quiet.....
Yep, his interest suddenly appeared when he thought that he was about to be given the evidence that would back his theory that the Mccanns dunit.

He lost interest again when the rest of the Smiths said that they didn't think it was Gerry.  Also when various statements made his theory defunct.

Lyall

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Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #125 on: March 09, 2014, 12:13:43 AM »
Yep, his interest suddenly appeared when he thought that he was about to be given the evidence that would back his theory that the Mccanns dunit.

He lost interest again when the rest of the Smiths said that they didn't think it was Gerry.  Also when various statements made his theory defunct.

That's what you wish they'd said, but it's not what they actually said. Read the statements.

Offline sadie

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #126 on: March 09, 2014, 12:20:04 AM »
That's what you wish they'd said, but it's not what they actually said. Read the statements.
I've read them

Where are the statements saying that Aofie, Martins wife, Peter Smith or any of the others thought that Smithman looked like Gerry Mccann?

We only have Martin saying that his wife thought the same.  Where is her statement saying that.?

Offline pegasus

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #127 on: March 09, 2014, 12:28:49 AM »
...He lost interest...
Mr Amaral did not lose interest, he was obstructively prevented from following it up because someone got him removed from the case on Oct 2nd .

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #128 on: March 09, 2014, 12:31:53 AM »
Mr Amaral did not lose interest, he was obstructively prevented from following it up because someone got him removed from the case on Oct 2nd .

didn't he get himself removed by insulting his fellow professionals

Offline Benice

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #129 on: March 09, 2014, 01:00:06 AM »
didn't he get himself removed by insulting his fellow professionals

and wasn't he breaking the Judicial Secrecy Laws at the time - by talking to a journalist?
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #130 on: March 09, 2014, 01:25:35 AM »
From the junction of R 25 Abril and R Escola Primeira,
the shortest route to the shore, it is to walk down Travessa das Escadhinas.
To go west on Rua 25 Abril and then south on Travessa das Fontainhas is a much longer route.
You're speculating that Smithman didn't mind being spotted in a lighted area with people around the cafés and restaurants.
The fact that he turned his head when spoken to indicates he didn't wish particularly to be noticed.
You're also speculating that Smithman was heading to the shore. What do you think he would do there?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #131 on: March 09, 2014, 01:27:42 AM »
You're speculating that Smithman didn't mind being spotted in a lighted area with people around the cafés and restaurants.
The fact that he turned his head when spoken to indicates he didn't wish particularly to be noticed.
You're also speculating that Smithman was heading to the shore. What do you think he would do there?

I seem to remember smith saying he didn't see the mans face...so how did he make the efit

Offline pegasus

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #132 on: March 09, 2014, 01:33:34 AM »
@dave1 and Benice . Even if you are correct, the claim I was replying to was clearly incorrect in stating that Mr Amaral "lost interest"  in the Smith sighting. I think there is plenty of evidence he has retained a strong interest.

Offline pegasus

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #133 on: March 09, 2014, 01:39:36 AM »
I seem to remember smith saying he didn't see the mans face...so how did he make the efit
Good point. All 9 people in the group saw the man. A few are too young to do an efit. So which two did the efits?
 

Offline pegasus

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #134 on: March 09, 2014, 01:59:44 AM »
If an innocent man with child is found to have been Smithman, what next?
That would leave us with JT sighting irrelevant and Smith sighting irrelevant.
Is it possible for someone to carry something out with absolutely no-one seeing?