Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?

[pegasus]

CC and JB were not carried IMO, footage shows them awake and walking.

I am looking for any solved case anywhere which involved a pedestrian carrying away openly in their arms (not in a bag or car or trolley) a non-awake child.
 

[Wonderfulspam]

Recently Chloe Campbell was captured on CCTV being taken by a kidnapper who was walking on the street with her.

There have been a couple of instances in India where kidnappers have been captured on CCTV stealing children ~ one from beside her sleeping parents in a train station ~ the other in the street.  These children were carried away.

Toddler James Bulger was captured by CCTV being taken from the shopping mall.

The little darlings kicked & beat him, lobbed paint in his eye, chucked rocks at him an dropped a big metal bar on his head before placing his body across a railway line where later a train cut him in half.

They were duly sent to prison, before being released due to a breach of their human rights.

And I think to myself, what a wonderful world.

[Silkywhiskers]

The little darlings kicked & beat him, lobbed paint in his eye, chucked rocks at him an dropped a big metal bar on his head before placing his body across a railway line where later a train cut him in half.

They were duly sent to prison, before being released due to a breach of their human rights.

And I think to myself, what a wonderful world.

And NONE of it is significant to what happened to Madeleine.

[pegasus]

Following Brietta's suggestion I did find one proven instance of someone illegally moving a child by openly carrying.
The child is 3 yrs old, awake IMO, and being openly carried, with head against the perp's shoulder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SALrm2KHzg
Carrying starts at about 13 seconds.

[Silkywhiskers]

CC and JB were not carried IMO, footage shows them awake and walking.

I am looking for any solved case anywhere which involved a pedestrian carrying away openly in their arms (not in a bag or car or trolley) a non-awake child.

Why?

Does it prove what happened on 3 May 2007?

[pegasus]

Why?

Does it prove what happened on 3 May 2007?

Use of previous case statistics is a recognised technique.
The almost exclusive focus by BOTH sides in discussion of this case, that the solution must involve a man openly carrying, seems odd.   

[Silkywhiskers]

Use of previous case statistics is a recognised technique.
The almost exclusive focus by BOTH sides in discussion of this case, that the solution must involve a man openly carrying, seems odd.   

There's so much that "seems odd" about this case, you hardly need go looking for more.

Statistics are useful, but they have NEVER been "evidence" or a guarantee that another crime happened the same way.

[Brietta]

Following Brietta's suggestion I did find one proven instance of someone illegally moving a child by openly carrying.
The child is 3 yrs old, awake IMO, and being openly carried, with head against the perp's shoulder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SALrm2KHzg
Carrying starts at about 13 seconds.

When I first saw that clip the thing which struck me was that the child did not awaken or protest enabling the man to carry out the kidnap unimpeded.
Even if she had wakened, who would have taken notice of a 'father' and his crying 'daughter'.

[pegasus]

There's so much that "seems odd" about this case, you hardly need go looking for more.

Statistics are useful, but they have NEVER been "evidence" or a guarantee that another crime happened the same way.

Well it is bizarre that of those who examine the scenario that a body was carried, nearly all seem to be claiming it was definitely open-carrying.

Statistics of real cases for that scenario however indicate that open-carrying is extremely unlikely, and concealed carrying (in anything so people even if they are watching can't see what's inside) is far more likely, IMO.

[Silkywhiskers]

When I first saw that clip the thing which struck me was that the child did not awaken or protest enabling the man to carry out the kidnap unimpeded.
Even if she had wakened, who would have taken notice of a 'father' and his crying 'daughter'.

Which makes the zigzagging path of Smithman, all the more curious.

Who would stride into an apartment, abduct a corpse, then zig zag all over PDL trying to avoid prying eyes, when he hadn't been seen by ANYONE when he was NOT zigzagging?

He apparently entered 5a completely unnoticed, then got noticed afterwards.

Was he zig zagging BEFORE he "abducted" Madeleine?  No, apparently not, Team McCann claim he walzted straight through an unlocked door in full sight of where they sat at the Tapas bar.

Allegedly.

Ridiculous.

Abductor man walking with a child WOULD have blended into the background.

Abductor man zig zagging and ducking and weaving - someone saw him.

Why the change of tactic?  Walk in boldly in full sight of the parents (so they claimed) then become a moonwalking quick stepper when he has his prize and is getting away successfully?

[Martina]

Well it is bizarre that of those who examine the scenario that a body was carried, nearly all seem to be claiming it was definitely open-carrying.

Statistics of real cases for that scenario however indicate that open-carrying is extremely unlikely, and concealed carrying (in anything so people even if they are watching can't see what's inside) is far more likely.

I do agree with that but what if a person carrying was for some reasons not able to obtain on time anything that might be used to conceal Maddie's body?

[Wonderfulspam]

'A witness claimed to have seen Gerry and me carrying a big black bag & acting suspiciously'  >@@(*&)

[Brietta]

'A witness claimed to have seen Gerry and me carrying a big black bag & acting suspiciously'  >@@(*&)

I am relatively new to Madeleine's case.  I have seen that statement before and can only find it mentioned on sites which could be said to be inimical to her parents.

I wonder if you could direct me to a proper cite?

[Wonderfulspam]

I am relatively new to Madeleine's case.  I have seen that statement before and can only find it mentioned on sites which could be said to be inimical to her parents.

I wonder if you could direct me to a proper cite?

Madeleine P242

[pegasus]

It is not zigzagging or ducking and diving it is normal pedestrian behaviour.