The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.

[stephen25000]

How was this established?

'From amarals book


There are signs of death in Apartment 5A. It's necessary to confirm that, prior to 3 May, no one had died there. The OC has no records of anything like that, nor the fire department, nor the paramedics, nor the prior apt owners knew of any death in the apt.'

[Sherlock Holmes]

'From amarals book


There are signs of death in Apartment 5A. It's necessary to confirm that, prior to 3 May, no one had died there. The OC has no records of anything like that, nor the fire department, nor the paramedics, nor the prior apt owners knew of any death in the apt.'

Thank you for that, Stephen.

[Lyall]

You mention the statement of T. M. S.

That was another 'suspect' completely ignored publicly between January 08 and May 09 (Madeleine was here) just like 'Smithman'. There's a pattern there don't you think?

[Sherlock Holmes]

Of interest to whom? >@@(*&)

Charity collectors, road sweepers etc. etc. Everyone is a suspect if they are. Everyone who was in PdL the previous two weeks, and everyone within travelling distance in those two weeks (which is the whole world!)

I said points of interest  - not persons of interest.

Please don't confuse me with The Yard!

[icabodcrane]

I believe  there was an investigation by the PJ  into tracing previous inhabitants.

I'm sure there was,  and I'm sure Scotland Yard,  too,  would have been  keen to establish whether anyone ese had died in that apartment

Most of all,  though,  I am sure the McCanns, themselves,  would be  more than interested in the possibility of attributing the cadaver dog alerts to some previous death in that apartment  ...  and will have instructed their numerous private detectives to make all relevant enquiries

In any event,  no-one  ...  not the police, not private detectives, not the press, not former owners/guests ...  and not the McCanns, themselves  ...  have made any such claim

[Sherlock Holmes]

You mention the statement of T. M. S.

That was another 'suspect' completely ignored publicly between January 08 and May 09 (Madeleine was here) just like 'Smithman'. There's a pattern there don't you think?

Could be...

You need to get the cryptographers onto that one, Lyall...

[Mr Gray]

I'm sure there was,  and I'm sure Scotland Yard,  too,  would have keen to establish whether anyone ese had died in that apartment

Most of all,  though,  I am sure the McCanns, themselves,  would be  more than interested in the possibility of attributing the cadaver dog alerts to some previous death in that apartment  ...  and will have instructed their numerous private detectives to make all relevant enquiries

In any event,  no-one  ...  not the police, not private detectives, not the press, not former owners/guests ...  and not the McCanns, themselves  ...  have made any such claim

the dogs alerts do not mean  a cadaver had been present in 5a

[AnneGuedes]

Of interest to whom? >@@(*&)

Charity collectors, road sweepers etc. etc. Everyone is a suspect if they are. Everyone who was in PdL the previous two weeks, and everyone within travelling distance in those two weeks (which is the whole world!)

By law only certified undertakers may put a cadaver into a coffin and transport it to the church and cemetery. Ambulances aren't allowed to transport dead bodies. As no undertaker takes a corpse in charge without a death certificate, all deaths are registered in the registo civil with indications of day, place and manner of death.

[Mr Gray]

'From amarals book


There are signs of death in Apartment 5A. It's necessary to confirm that, prior to 3 May, no one had died there. The OC has no records of anything like that, nor the fire department, nor the paramedics, nor the prior apt owners knew of any death in the apt.'

 amaral misunderstood the dogs alerts

[Anna]

That's right, the twelve year old girl ('T.M.S') reports seeing a man hovering about in the area.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3141.0

She notes that her grandmother lived in 5 A and this was why she was alert to what was going on as she walked by.

I checked Mrs tramners statement and I appear to have got it wrong because she only bought it 2003.
However 5A, the owner prior to the one who has it now, was already dead when that book was written. so how did he know that nobody had died there before. It would only be a doctor and funeral services who would know, if she was being treated at home and the lady lived there permanently.Her daughter and granddaughter visited I believe .

[Anna]

I believe  there was an investigation by the PJ  into tracing previous inhabitants.

Do you have a link for this as it would be useful, Thanks

[Lyall]

I said points of interest  - not persons of interest.

Please don't confuse me with The Yard!

>@@(*&) Only of interest to those who wish to confuse I'd suggest. Some people are only too happy to point to hundreds of 'suspects'.

Whereas the people in PdL that week said on the record - more than once - it was quiet and they noticed nothing or nobody unusual.

Now some people would like to suggest there were 'odd people' in every shadow and around every corner.

[Estuarine]

>@@(*&) Only of interest to those who wish to confuse I'd suggest. Some people are only too happy to point to hundreds of 'suspects'.

Whereas the people in PdL that week said on the record - more than once - it was quiet and they noticed nothing or nobody unusual.

Now some people would like to suggest there were 'odd people' in every shadow and around every corner.

The stock answer to that will be xenophobic twaddle. You can't have a simple matter like the truth getting in the way now 

[sadie]

According to Mrs Fenns neice ,Mrs Fenn lived there for a very long time, (I wonder if she died in her flat), so it is possible that someone at some time lived permanently in 5A. Did I read a witness statement from a young girl whose grandma lived there once? I will have a look.

Yes Tasmin Silences Gran and Gramp owned 5A for some time.  She and her mother lived there too for a period.

There was talk on another forum that I was on, about 6 years ago, that her Grandpa died in hospital and his clothes were brought back and stored in the wardrobe.  I am not sure what clothes they were or even if it was true.  I am merely repeating what I read.  However, I had no reason to believe that stuff posted there was anything but true.

Maybe someone else will remember it?  Ferryman?

[Sherlock Holmes]

>@@(*&) Only of interest to those who wish to confuse I'd suggest. Some people are only too happy to point to hundreds of 'suspects'.

Whereas the people in PdL that week said on the record - more than once - it was quiet and they noticed nothing or nobody unusual.

Now some people would like to suggest there were 'odd people' in every shadow and around every corner.

True, but that does not mean that the testimony of those well-acquainted with PdL and its regular goings-on should be regarded as confused. Please note comments on 'Dark Glasses Man', for example:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3141.0