The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.

[colombosstogey]

But if there is 'evidence', as you put it, that she died in 5A, then why have SY stated categorically that she may be alive?

No there is evidence someone had died in 5A, and it could be the child.

and where did Scotland Yard actually say she may still be alive?  Where there is no body there is always that hope that people cling too....

[colombosstogey]

The following is a statement from Paul Anthony Gordon, who stayed in apartment 5A with his family in April 2007 directly prior to its occupancy by the McCanns.

He also notes that he cut himself whilst shaving resulting in bleeding for 45 minutes.

He notes how he has been pursued by the press and others for information regarding the charity collector - bogus or otherwise - who visited the apartment asking him for money for an orphanage:


CARTAS ROGATORIAS (FILE 5)

Pages 36 to 38—Witness statement of Paul Anthony Gordon

Date 2008.04.24

Summarised translation:


Leicestershire Police Force
Witness Account
Statement by Paul Anthony Gordon
Occupation: Accountant

Date : 24th April 2008

I am married to Saleigh and we have two children, C...... aged three and J..... aged two.

We stayed in the same apartment that the McCanns would later stay in, apartment 5ª of the Ocean Club. We travelled to Faro on 21st April 2007.

On Wednesday the children were asleep in the apartment and Sal was reading inside. I was in the garden when I heard a male voice say “Ola”. I got up and went towards the man who asked me whether I was interested in making a donation to an orphanage. I talked to him and notice he had an ID label and what seemed to be a book of receipts. I thought he was either genuine or that it was a professional scam. I gave him 10 Euros and I think he gave me a receipt. At no time was he aggressive or persistent. I think he was genuine and it seemed to be a good cause.

There were no other incidents whilst we were in Portugal except that I cut myself whilst shaving in the bathroom. The cut bled for about 45 minutes. As far as I know, nobody else cut themselves in the apartment.

We felt safe in the apartment and were not robbed, neither did anything disappear. The doors, windows and shutters were in perfect working order. There was never any sign that that the doors, windows or shutters had been tampered with, but neither was there any need to check. The front door had a double lock that was difficult to lock, but we managed. The patio door could not be locked from the outside, only from the inside of the apartment and that is why we chose to use the front door when we left the apartment.

We used to open the shutters during the day and would close them again at night. The shutters made a lot of noise when we closed them. They have an internal cord as mechanism for opening and closing them.


We would generally have breakfast in the Millenium restaurant, we only dined at the Tapas Bar on two occasions. I remember there was a limit to how many times we could eat at the Tapas Bar.

I would like to add that since January of this year I have received numerous phone calls, messages and visits from the press with relation to the man collecting donations, which led to contact with other persons such as Brian Kennedy, Kate and Gerry McCann. I feel this to be constricting and it is difficult for me to make a more certain decision.

I have always tried to collaborate with the police in every possible form, telephoning them at the first opportunity when the news broke about Madeleine’s disappearance. There have been times when I have felt like a pawn in a chess game.

He may be bleeding for 45 minutes but if he was, he should have been bleeding at accident and emergency lol. Crikey he must have used a lot of toilet paper. Bleeding from a knick on the face would not blood splatter all over the walls, that is caused by BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA.....caused by a knife in the juggler or being shot or punched in the face.....SPLAT.....

[colombosstogey]

The one Apartment people miss with the dogs is the empty one. There was an alert but it was dismissed......I find that alert one of the interesting along with the others of course but oops musnt go off topic.

[Benice]

Wishful thinking on that one..

Rather like kate mccanns claim to have 'seen' 6 bodies before PDL and that claim was checked out and summarily dropped. Now that was ridiculous in itself.I've heard some in my time to explain away scents, but this takes the biscuit, since it would never explain the odours detected in the varios places.

It is no more and no less another attempt by people like sadie to clutch at straws.

Can you give us a link to where Kate claims to have had contact with 6 cadavers please.

I don't believe she ever made this claim - and why would she if it wasn't true - as she would know that the police could easily check it out via her work record.

[stephen25000]

TimesOnline 10.09.2007

Now where else would such a claim come form in the first place ?

 

The tooth fairy ?

[Mr Gray]

No there is evidence someone had died in 5A, and it could be the child.

and where did Scotland Yard actually say she may still be alive?  Where there is no body there is always that hope that people cling too....

There is no evidence that anyone died in 5a according to grime...your misunderstanding of the basic facts make all your conclusions invalid

[Benice]

TimesOnline 10.09.2007

Now where else would such a claim come form in the first place ?

 

The tooth fairy ?

A newspaper article from 2007?   Oh well it must be true then.   

If you believe Kate would make a claim like that -  which she would know could be checked out by the police in no time - not to mention her boss/colleagues who she worked with in the NHS  - who would also know whether it was true or not  -  then you are really clutching at straws. 

   

[stephen25000]

tHE MCCANNS HAVE MADE MANY CLAIMS, SUCH AS THE ABDUCTION, WHICH HAS NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE, LET ALONE FORENSICS TO SUPOPORT IT.

So when it comes to cluthing at straws...........................

Try not preaching.

[Mr Gray]

tHE MCCANNS HAVE MADE MANY CLAIMS, SUCH AS THE ABDUCTION, WHICH HAS NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE, LET ALONE FORENSICS TO SUPOPORT IT.

So when it comes to cluthing at straws...........................

Try not preaching.

Not clutching at straws..no need to...just stating a fact

[Benice]

Shouting, hardly.

Just the truth.

As to credability, where's yours ?

Why don't you give your reasons why you think Kate McCann would claim  to have been in contact with 6 cadavers -  if that was a big fat lie - which she knew would be discovered as soon as her work records were checked? 

[stephen25000]

Why don't you give your reasons why you think Kate McCann would claim  to have been in contact with 6 cadavers -  if that was a big fat lie - which she knew would be discovered as soon as her work records were checked?

Simples.

A panic to 'explain' the 'scent' of cadaver, then quickly withdrawn.

[Benice]

Simples.

A panic to 'explain' the 'scent' of cadaver, then quickly withdrawn.

So where is KM's statement saying that (a) she had made that claim in the first place and (b) that she was now withdrawing it?   Where is your evidence?

[stephen25000]

So where is KM's statement saying that (a) she had made that claim in the first place and (b) that she was now withdrawing it?   Where is your evidence?

Who else would have made the claim in the first place ?

[Benice]

Who else would have made the claim in the first place ?

Some reporter way back in 2007 when the myths and lies were being churned out daily?

[John]

I find it quite remarkable how quickly some are to poo poo genuine facts in preference to hearsay comments and half truths.

It is inconceivable that Tasmin mixed up the apartments.  Apartment 5a is unique in that it is the end apartment with its own private entrance right onto the main road.  I have no doubt Tasmin knew what she was talking about, she lived there.  Tasmin was a superb witness and for that reason it was expected that attempts would be made to discredit her.  That's how the myth creators work.

As for the connection between the death of the grandfather and Eddie's alerts are concerned there is every reason to believe that there is such a connection if Eddie was as good as Martin Grime claimed.  There is certainly as much reason to believe that there is a connection to Tasmin's grandfather as there is to the theory that Madeleine died in the apartment.  At least we know for sure the grandfather died and there is every reason to suspect that at least some of his clothing was brought back to the apartment by his wife.

Was his remains brought back to the apartment and waked?