The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.

[stephen25000]

Some reporter way back in 2007 when the myths and lies were being churned out daily?

Rubbish.

....and the lies spread by the mccanns or their 'close friends or associates' ?

Why would someone do that ?

[stephen25000]

I find it quite remarkable how quickly some are to poo poo genuine facts in preference to hearsay comments and half truths.

It is inconceivable that Tasmin mixed up the apartments.  Apartment 5a is unique in that it is the end apartment with its own private entrance right onto the main road.  I have no doubt Tasmin knew what she was talking about, she lived there.  Tasmin was a superb witness and for that reason it was expected that attempts would be made to discredit her.  That's how the myth creators work.

As for the connection between the death of the grandfather and Eddie's alerts are concerned there is every reason to believe that there is such a connection if Eddie was as good as Martin Grime claimed.  There is certainly as much reason to believe that there is a connection to Tasmin's grandfather as there is to the theory that Madeleine died in the apartment.  At least we know for sure the grandfather died and there is every reason to suspect that at least some of his clothing was brought back to the apartment by his wife.

Was his remains brought back to the apartment and waked?

What clothing ?

Was he wearing it on his death ?

Since if he wasn't where would the contamination come from ?

 and likewise the why the detection of scentsover several places, can you account for that ?

[Estuarine]

Rubbish.

....and the lies spread by the mccanns or their 'close friends or associates' ?

Why would someone do that ?

Back to the Mikado Stephen. "Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative". As is most of the stuff coming out of the "sausage machine".

[Angelo222]

I find it quite remarkable how quickly some are to poo poo genuine facts in preference to hearsay comments and half truths.

It is inconceivable that Tasmin mixed up the apartments.  Apartment 5a is unique in that it is the end apartment with its own private entrance right onto the main road.  I have no doubt Tasmin knew what she was talking about, she lived there.  Tasmin was a superb witness and for that reason it was expected that attempts would be made to discredit her.  That's how the myth creators work.

As for the connection between the death of the grandfather and Eddie's alerts are concerned there is every reason to believe that there is such a connection if Eddie was as good as Martin Grime claimed.  There is certainly as much reason to believe that there is a connection to Tasmin's grandfather as there is to the theory that Madeleine died in the apartment.  At least we know for sure the grandfather died and there is every reason to suspect that at least some of his clothing was brought back to the apartment by his wife.

Was his remains brought back to the apartment and waked?

Tangible evidence is worth a thousand myths any day.  Tasmin's sightings must be viewed in relation to the timeline of events.  Tasmin lived there, she wasn't just a visitor for a week like so many of the other witnesses.  She knew all the locals, she knew who was out if place, who stood out as unusual.

Could I suggest that those members who have nothing constructive to say should shut up.

[stephen25000]

Back to the Mikado Stephen. "Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative". As is most of the stuff coming out of the "sausage machine".

Precisely.

[stephen25000]

Tangible evidence is worth a thousand myths any day.  Tasmin's sightings must be viewed in relation to the timeline of events.  Tasmin lived there, she wasn't just a visitor for a week like so many of the other witnesses.  She knew all the locals, she knew who was out if place, who stood out as unusual.

Could I suggest that those members who have nothing constructive to say should shut up.

Who is questioning that Tasmin is a witness.

It has not been established that any clothing returned to the apartment was contaminated, or even 'spread' over several areas.



That would be supposition and not evidence.

[Benice]

Rubbish.

....and the lies spread by the mccanns or their 'close friends or associates' ?

Why would someone do that ?

If you are claiming that Kate McCann said she had been in contact with 6 cadavers and that she later withdrew that claim - you need to come up with the evidence to prove your claims are true.      Changing the subject doesn't do that.   

[Cariad]

since the dog alerts have been mentioned repeatedly on this thread, I don't think it's out of place to post this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RSGpilH7e4

From about 2:30 in.

It's only a five minute clip, but really is worth watching.

If the mods think it's OT, maybe it could be moved to a more appropriate thread?

[stephen25000]

If you are claiming that Kate McCann said she had been in contact with 6 cadavers and that she later withdrew that claim - you need to come up with the evidence to prove your claims are true.      Changing the subject doesn't do that.

You have the link I provided.

Take it or leave it.

Meanwhile, can you provide evidence of abduction, forensically or otherwise ?

....................and evidence that would stand up in court ?

[Serendipity]

I find it quite remarkable how quickly some are to poo poo genuine facts in preference to hearsay comments and half truths.

It is inconceivable that Tasmin mixed up the apartments.  Apartment 5a is unique in that it is the end apartment with its own private entrance right onto the main road.  I have no doubt Tasmin knew what she was talking about, she lived there.  Tasmin was a superb witness and for that reason it was expected that attempts would be made to discredit her.  That's how the myth creators work.

As for the connection between the death of the grandfather and Eddie's alerts are concerned there is every reason to believe that there is such a connection if Eddie was as good as Martin Grime claimed.  There is certainly as much reason to believe that there is a connection to Tasmin's grandfather as there is to the theory that Madeleine died in the apartment.  At least we know for sure the grandfather died and there is every reason to suspect that at least some of his clothing was brought back to the apartment by his wife.

Was his remains brought back to the apartment and waked?

Ok, how's about you do what I did and pick up the phone and call Op Grange Gold Team and ask the question re Tasmin Milburn's silence in relation to where her grandparents did or did not live. You won't like the answer though  :)

[Mr Moderator]

Ok, how's about you do what I did and pick up the phone and call Op Grange Gold Team and ask the question re Tamsin Milburn Sillence in relation to where her grandparents did or did not live. You won't like the answer though  :)

In her statement Tasmin states that she lived in 5a with her mother and grandmother.  As a minor she would have been accompanied to the interview by her mother who would have discussed the matter with her at length.  This would also have been checked out by the PJ in order to validate her statement. Where the grandparents lived prior to the grandfathers demise is another issue.

[Serendipity]

In her statement Tasmin states that she lived in 5a with her mother and grandmother.  As a minor she would have been accompanied to the interview by her mother who would have discussed the matter with her at length.  This would also have been checked out by the PJ in order to validate her statement. Where the grandparents lived prior to the grandfathers demise is another issue.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm

'She also mentions that she lived in the apartment where the missing child was staying, that belonged to her Grandmother, who is already deceased. That she didn't actually reside there, but spent extensive and repeated periods of time there'

It was her father not her mother who was present at her interview.

Call Op Grange and ask the question re 5a or next door to 5a. :)

BTW the man she saw lurking about was identified as Michael Anthony Green

[Benice]

You have the link I provided.

Take it or leave it.

Meanwhile, can you provide evidence of abduction, forensically or otherwise ?....................and evidence that would stand up in court ?

So your reply is yet another change of subject.  So be it.

Can you first of all provide proof that evidence which may have been in 5A  had not been overlooked.     Bearing in mind Amaral's comments about the shortcomings of at least one of his forensic officers -  and the claim that they were a small police station - and therefore not so extensively equipped.  (or words to that effect -haven't got time to look at the moment)

I'll have to read your reply later - must go out now.

Have a pleasant day.

 

[stephen25000]

So your reply is yet another change of subject.  So be it.

Can you first of all provide proof that evidence which may have been in 5A  had not been overlooked.     Bearing in mind Amaral's comments about the shortcomings of at least one of his forensic officers -  and the claim that they were a small police station - and therefore not so extensively equipped.  (or words to that effect -haven't got time to look at the moment)

I'll have to read your reply later - must go out now.

Have a pleasant day.

Hardly.

I and others have asked that question many times and you have to reply or simply diverted onto another issue.

[sadie]

Ok, how's about you do what I did and pick up the phone and call Op Grange Gold Team and ask the question re Tamsin Milburn Sillence in relation to where her grandparents did or did not live. You won't like the answer though  :)

So SY have this amazing relationship with you?  They talk to you and give you info?


WOW !