Author Topic: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.  (Read 95597 times)

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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #210 on: March 10, 2014, 03:46:58 PM »
IMO the hospital clothes conjecture is good to examine (even if it turns out to be incorrect) because it brings up the process of scent transfer to clothes while unworn in a wardrobe.

What is the first thing that happens when someone goes into hospital....oh yes, they are put in a hospital gown.  8-)(--)
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline sadie

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #211 on: March 10, 2014, 03:48:17 PM »
What is the first thing that happens when someone goes into hospital....oh yes, they are put in a hospital gown.  8-)(--)
Never had that happen to me except when I was going for an op or a nasty procedure

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #212 on: March 10, 2014, 03:49:26 PM »
Never had that happen to me except when I was going for an op or a nasty procedure

Presumably they just stick you in bed fully clothed....
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline sadie

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #213 on: March 10, 2014, 03:53:34 PM »
Presumably they just stick you in bed fully clothed....
Yep fully clothed in my jamies or my nightie.  Haven't you ever been in hospital?

AnneGuedes

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Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #214 on: March 10, 2014, 03:54:40 PM »
IMO the hospital clothes conjecture is good to examine (even if it turns out to be incorrect) because it brings up the process of scent transfer to clothes while unworn in a wardrobe.
I didn't ask you if iyo the examination of the "hospital clothes conjecture" was "good" or not !
What I asked was very different : for what reasons don't you a priori agree ?

AnneGuedes

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Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #215 on: March 10, 2014, 03:56:10 PM »
Presumably they just stick you in bed fully clothed....
as nasty procedures require !  @)(++(*

Offline John

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #216 on: March 10, 2014, 04:11:54 PM »
I don't know what passes for patient care in Portugal but in the UK patients normally wear their own clothing.  As Sadie already posted, gowns are usually reserved when someone is having tests done or even surgery.

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline sadie

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #217 on: March 10, 2014, 04:41:21 PM »
I don't know what passes for patient care in Portugal but in the UK patients normally wear their own clothing.  As Sadie already posted, gowns are usually reserved when someone is having tests done or even surgery.

Anyway whoevers clothes they were in, there was aways the watch and the ring, wedding band or signet ring

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #218 on: March 10, 2014, 04:45:41 PM »
the bottom line is that SY don't agree that the alerts prove Maddie died in the appt...Grime doesn't agree that the alerts prove Maddie dided in the appt...amarals lawyer doesn't agree that the alerts prove Maddie died in the appt...so I think its afact to say that there is no proof that Maddie died in the appt

Offline John

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #219 on: March 10, 2014, 04:56:54 PM »
the bottom line is that SY don't agree that the alerts prove Maddie died in the appt...Grime doesn't agree that the alerts prove Maddie dided in the appt...amarals lawyer doesn't agree that the alerts prove Maddie died in the appt...so I think its afact to say that there is no proof that Maddie died in the appt

...or to put it another way Dave, who does agree?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #220 on: March 10, 2014, 05:02:14 PM »
We don't know when this man died but presumably this is on public record.

I will get the Baker Street irregulars onto it...

Redblossom

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Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #221 on: March 10, 2014, 05:05:30 PM »
Anyway whoevers clothes they were in, there was aways the watch and the ring, wedding band or signet ring

Oh so you KNOW this man possessed all these objects? Were you there?


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besides its a moot point as these are NON POROUS materials so do not come into any equation

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Redblossom

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Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #222 on: March 10, 2014, 05:10:04 PM »
the bottom line is that SY don't agree that the alerts prove Maddie died in the appt...Grime doesn't agree that the alerts prove Maddie dided in the appt...amarals lawyer doesn't agree that the alerts prove Maddie died in the appt...so I think its afact to say that there is no proof that Maddie died in the appt

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Evidence but no PROOF

And SYs words as per Andy Redwood were, there is no clear definitive proof that she is dead, he didnt say there is not a shred of evidence


He certainly does have the dogs in mind! IMO otherwise he wouldnt have used those words

Eta as have all professional knowledgable commentators

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Redblossom

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Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #223 on: March 10, 2014, 05:35:41 PM »
Ive just been reading back properly and John, you are confusing me as to what your opinion is.

This morning you posted this:
As for the connection between the death of the grandfather and Eddie's alerts are concerned there is every reason to believe that there is such a connection if Eddie was as good as Martin Grime claimed.  There is certainly as much reason to believe that there is a connection to Tasmin's grandfather as there is to the theory that Madeleine died in the apartment.  At least we know for sure the grandfather died and there is every reason to suspect that at least some of his clothing was brought back to the apartment by his wife.


then this afternoon you posted  this:


It is very obvious from the comments that many find this subject a bit uncomfortable but without having all the facts at our disposal I fail to see why.

We don't even know when the grandad passed away relative to Madeleine's disappearance?  Given that cadaver scents do not last much beyond a few months I personally cannot see a logical connection.

Im off to play Candy Crush for a short while, thats normally enough to do my head in!


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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #224 on: March 10, 2014, 06:02:21 PM »
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Evidence but no PROOF

And SYs words as per Andy Redwood were, there is no clear definitive proof that she is dead, he didnt say there is not a shred of evidence


He certainly does have the dogs in mind! IMO otherwise he wouldnt have used those words

Eta as have all professional knowledgable commentators

 8**8:/:

 8((()*/

It was Grime who said there is no evidence as the alerts do not amount to evidence..he's the expert
so according to Grime there is no evidence that Maddie died in the apartment