The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.

[sadie]

Sometimes we have been told that the scent lasts years and sometimes we are told it doesn't last long.

Seems it is altered to suit the argument.  Why would that be ?

For example
http://dogsdontlie.com/main/2008/12/cadaver-dogs-how-reliable-are-they-at-detecting-death/

Eugene Zapata sold the house in 1997. In 2001, he moved to Nevada. He rented a storage facility in Sun Prairie that year and listed its contents as “boxes, mixture of son’s and parent’s stuff.”
According to the search warrant:

On April 13, 2005, police left a message for Eugene Zapata with his wife in Nevada. The next day, the locker’s key was returned to U-Store Mini Storage in Sun Prairie. The empty locker remained locked until Aug. 10 and 11 when police opened it.

Dogs detected the scent of decomposing or decomposed human remains inside and around the locker, the search warrant indicates. That prompted a search of four acres in rural Juneau County owned by Zapata since 1978.


Zapatas wife vanished in 1976.    In 2005 the dogs detected the scent of decomposing or decomposed human remains

Almost 30 years later !


Please dont tell me that the Grime dogs wouldn't be able to detect the odour of death from a couple or so years earlier

[John]

Sadie, there is a big difference between cadaver scent and actual body matter shed as part of the decomposition process.  I suggest it was the latter which the dogs detected in the Zapata case.

[Carana]

Yes I had the same questions. I will have a look and see what else I can find about the garden evidence. I would think that the body had been in the flower bed for the scent to be there. The possible fibres from pyjamas on the wall is interesting? These garden alerts are a very interesting part for me and needs working on.

The fibres were sent to INML. Nothing of any significance.

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Forensic report No. 200711800-FI

Requested by:: Portimao DIC

NUIPC 201-07 Galgs

Correspondence number: 3609 of 31st October 2007

Examination initiated : October 2007


Material for Examination

I. Six collection kits of woven fibres which present the following references relating to the area of vestige collection:

1. 'Inferior part of wall' and 'Pip'.
2. 'Superior part of wall' and 'PSP'
3. 'Middle part of wall' and 'PMP'
4. 'Middle part of wall' and 'PMP'
5. 'Superior part of wall' and 'PSP'
6. 'Inferior part of wall' and 'Pip'.

Each kit comes inside an orange coloured envelope, each of these envelopes are inside a paper envelope with the following references, amongst others 'Vestige No. 26, Apartment 5 A, OC resort, P da L. Garden wall of the apartment, 2007/08/02'.


II - A pyjama camisole, pink in colour with motifs stamped and sewn on to the front (the latter of material, buttons and messages) (see photographs 1 and 2). Three labels can be seen, one of them has the following references, amongst others: 'Top 100% COTTON EXCLUSIVE OF TRIMMINGS'.

III - White coloured pyjama bottoms with stamped designs in pink shades (different tones), green and yellow and with a trim at the bottom of each leg (see photo 3 and 4). Three labels can be observed, one of them with the following reference, amongst others 'Bottom 100% COTTON EXCLUSIVE OF TRIMMINGS'.



REQUEST

We request the examination of the samples collected from the garden wall with the aim of carrying out the 'search and identification of eventual fibres and their comparison with the two parts of the pyjamas similar to those the girl was wearing when she disappeared'.

OBSERVATIONS AND TESTS CARRIED OUT

With the objective of identifying the fibres from the searches for samples from the garden wall, it was proceeded to identify the prime material of the pyjamas, from which we had previously collected reference samples from both the top and the bottom. Identification was done using an optical microscope, the following results were obtained:

Pyjama camisole:

The front was made up of white base thread and external pink thread.

- Prime material of the white thread: cotton and synthetic fibre (very pigmented).
- Prime material of the pink thread: cotton (the colouring was not visible by microscope).

The back of the top consisted of pink coloured thread

- Prime material of the pink thread: cotton (the colouring was not visible by microscope).


The Pyjama bottoms:

The material of the pyjama bottoms consisted of white coloured thread.

- Prime material of the thread: cotton

Observations using a stereoscopical magnifier and an optical microscope

With the objective of comparing eventual textile fibres collected from the wall with the fibres from the pyjamas, a search was made of the textile fibres (synthetic white fibres and white and pink cotton fibres) from the samples collected for examination. The search was carried out using a stereoscopical magnifier and an optical microscope, pink and white cotton fibres having been selected as well as white synthetic fibres for subsequent comparison.


Comparison Microscope

The fibres selected were compared to the fibres from the pyjamas using an optical comparison microscope. The following results were obtained:

- No synthetic fibres were detected that were compatible with the pyjama fibres.

- In relation to the cotton fibres, although numerous white cotton fibres were detected in all the samples, in none of them were vestiges detected that enabled discriminatory comparative analyses (such as for example, vestiges of stamping).

CONCLUSION

The analysis of the samples collected from the garden wall of the apartment of the OC yielded the following results:

- No synthetic fibres compatible with the fibres received for comparison from the pyjamas were found.
- Numerous white cotton fibres were found. However, this result should not be considered to be significant, given that according to studies of distribution and persistence of textile fibres it should always be possible to find fibres of different types and colours on any surface, white cotton fibres being very common and without discriminatory parameters.
- In addition, the interval of time that has passed between the events being investigated and the collection of samples (out in the open air) means the existence of fibres from the date of the events is of very low probability.

Note: The material remains archived at the SPL.

Lisbon, 23rd November 2007

Signed

Superior Specialist Machado Area Chief Monteiro
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

[Luz]

For ages you have been mentioning sex tissues in the MCCANN case that could explain Eddie's alerts in the 5A.  Do you admit that it was just a suggestion and that no such tissue was found in the 5A ?

Nobody died in that apartment before or after the McCann.

If there was death scent and one person is missing....

[Benice]

Nobody died in that apartment before or after the McCann.

If there was death scent and one person is missing....

Cadaverscent can be present where no cadaver has ever been. 

[Mr Gray]

Nobody died in that apartment before or after the McCann.

If there was death scent and one person is missing....

You need to read Grimes report

[Mr Gray]

stranger abduction is probably similar in both countries

[pegasus]

From the document posted by Carana above:
"We request the examination of the samples collected from the garden wall ..... and their comparison with the two parts of the pyjamas similar to those the girl was wearing when she disappeared"
The investigation is assuming that all M+S eeyore pyjamas are made of the same material?

[Sherlock Holmes]

From the document posted by Carana above:
"We request the examination of the samples collected from the garden wall ..... and their comparison with the two parts of the pyjamas similar to those the girl was wearing when she disappeared"
The investigation is assuming that all M+S eeyore pyjamas are made of the same material?

Why wouldn't they be, pegasus?

[pegasus]

Why wouldn't they be, pegasus?

If a company buys rights to use a trademark image on clothing, it is possible the company might produce for example pure cotton pyjamas with that logo on, and maybe another year part-synthetic pyjamas with that logo on.

[Sherlock Holmes]

If a company buys rights to use a trademark image on clothing, it is possible the company might produce for example pure cotton pyjamas with that logo on, and maybe another year part-synthetic pyjamas with that logo on.

Yes, good question.

But the McCanns will know when the pyjamas were bought, so presumably the pyjamas would be in keeping with others made that year.

But it is a good point - there is no certainty the pyjamas were the same, unless this question was raised.

[pegasus]

Yes, good question.

But the McCanns will know when the pyjamas were bought, so presumably the pyjamas would be in keeping with others made that year.

But it is a good point - there is no certainty the pyjamas were the same, unless this question was raised.

IMO it's likely there were manufactured more than one version of MS child eeyore pyjamas.
Maybe different versions used identical textiles, maybe not, I dont know.

[Anna]

IMO it's likely there were manufactured more than one version of MS child eeyore pyjamas.
Maybe different versions used identical textiles, maybe not, I dont know.

That is a possibility Pegasus, but M&S were well known for their cotton Tots Jammies and undies. I wouldn't have put anything but cotton next to my babies' skin. However it's a long time ago now since I had babies around, so maybe mums are different now.

[pegasus]

That is a possibility Pegasus, but M&S were well known for their cotton Tots Jammies and undies. I wouldn't have put anything but cotton next to my babies' skin. However it's a long time ago now since I had babies around, so maybe mums are different now.

The pyjamas which the PJ obtained from MS (for purpose of comparision forensics), were cotton except for the base textile of the top which was a cotton/synthetic mix.

[Anna]

The pyjamas which the PJ obtained from MS (for purpose of comparision forensics), were cotton except for the base textile of the top which was a cotton/synthetic mix.

It also depends on what type of printing was on them which could be screenprinted, polyester or polyurethane type, I don't really know, but check out their website for tots jammies and see if they use another material with same designs. It could be the same suppliers. The Eyore wont be in fashion now though.