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ferryman

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Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #225 on: March 23, 2014, 01:13:27 PM »
"There is always the potential that she didn't leave the apartment alive. What is important for us to do is consider all the options," he said.

This is what Redwood said.. Not that SHE IS DEAD but that there is  always a potential she might have died in the apartment..

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/us-britain-mccann-idUSBREA2I1D220140319

Opening paragraph and sentence of the very same article:

(Reuters) - British detectives investigating the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine McCann said they were looking for a man suspected of carrying out a series of sexual assaults on young girls staying in Portuguese holiday villas between 2004 and 2010.

ferryman

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Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #226 on: March 23, 2014, 02:10:18 PM »
wow....do you know anything about this case?

Sir BHH used the word "murder". 

Three separate police investigations also found that Madeleine "may not have left 5a alive" which confirms Eddie's work.

STILL not good enough for you?

No it doesn't.

A line of enquiry is being pursued that Madeleine may, tragically, have been murdered in the apartment by an (unknown) intruder, who then made off with her body and concealed it.

That would make the crimes murder and unlawful concealment of a body (by a person unknown) rather than abduction.

Either way, dog alerts remain irrelevant.

Offline jassi

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #227 on: March 23, 2014, 02:17:51 PM »
No it doesn't.

A line of enquiry is being pursued that Madeleine may, tragically, have been murdered in the apartment by an (unknown) intruder, who then made off with her body and concealed it.

That would make the crimes murder and unlawful concealment of a body (by a person unknown) rather than abduction.

Either way, dog alerts remain irrelevant.

Hogan Howe mentioned murder, but Redwood merely mentioned death.
 Not all death is premeditated murder
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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ferryman

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Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #228 on: March 23, 2014, 02:25:09 PM »
Wrong.

The only thing that would tie in death before leaving the apt would be Eddie. If no value was being placed on Eddie's behaviour then the line of enquiry would be along the lines of "abducted from the apt but after a considerable length of time missing, may sadly no longer be alive".

No logic other than Eddie points to death before leaving.

Try reading the article:

We need to eliminate this man [referenced above] from our enquiries and ascertain whether these offences are linked to Madeleine's disappearance," Andy Redwood, senior investigating officer at London's Metropolitan Police Service, told a news briefing.

It has sod-all to do with dog alerts; everything to do with the modus operandi of a sexual predator in the PdL area.

Dog alerts are irrelevant.

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Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #229 on: March 23, 2014, 02:26:14 PM »
Try reading the article:

We need to eliminate this man [referenced above] from our enquiries and ascertain whether these offences are linked to Madeleine's disappearance," Andy Redwood, senior investigating officer at London's Metropolitan Police Service, told a news briefing.

It has sod-all to do with dog alerts; everything to do with the modus operandi of a sexual predator in the PdL area.

Dog alerts are irrelevant.

Yes & his MO was child murder & body snatching was it?
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ferryman

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Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #230 on: March 23, 2014, 02:29:28 PM »
Try again

The behaviour of the dogs has been dismissed as irrelevant

Offline Carew

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #231 on: March 23, 2014, 02:31:02 PM »
I don't think this is quite correct  as there was no intent.

What constitutes "intent?"

Offline jassi

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #232 on: March 23, 2014, 02:34:33 PM »
Try again

The behaviour of the dogs has been dismissed as irrelevant

 @)(++(*  You wish. 
Though I can't see why you are so desperate to rubbish them given that Redwood clearly accepts the possibility that Madeleine may have dies in the apartment.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

ferryman

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Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #233 on: March 23, 2014, 02:37:05 PM »
@)(++(*  You wish. 
Though I can't see why you are so desperate to rubbish them given that Redwood clearly accepts the possibility that Madeleine may have dies in the apartment.

Pull out the reference to dogs in that Reuters article ...

Offline jassi

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #234 on: March 23, 2014, 02:41:22 PM »
Pull out the reference to dogs in that Reuters article ...

That'll give me the answer to why you so desperately want to rubbish their alerts, will it ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Eleanor

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #235 on: March 23, 2014, 02:42:07 PM »
What constitutes "intent?"

There was no deliberate lack of care and concern for the children, and no obvious irresponsibility.
I believe it says something similar in the Final Report.

ferryman

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Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #236 on: March 23, 2014, 02:43:55 PM »
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Wrong.

The only thing that would tie in death before leaving the apt would be Eddie. If no value was being placed on Eddie's behaviour then the line of enquiry would be along the lines of "abducted from the apt but after a considerable length of time missing, may sadly no longer be alive".

No logic other than Eddie points to death before leaving.

Since when did dogs know about logic?

This information came to light during the course of the investigation:

In four cases between 2004 and 2006 a man sexually assaulted five white girls, aged between 7 and 10 years, in their beds, in three different Algarve resorts, police said. Two of the 12 offences were committed in Praia da Luz.

A line of enquiry is seeking to rule in or out that this sexual predator struck again in Apartment 5a on May 3 2007.

That has nothing to do with dog alerts.

Offline Carew

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #237 on: March 23, 2014, 02:48:17 PM »
There was no deliberate lack of care and concern for the children, and no obvious irresponsibility.
I believe it says something similar in the Final Report.


Yes...........It is difficult, though, to reconcile the emboldened part below with the conclusions drawn imo.


It seems evident to us and because the files contain enough elements for such, that the crime of exposure or abandonment according to article 138 of the Penal Code can be eliminated from that range:

"1 - Whoever places another person's life in danger,
a) By exposing her in a location where she is subject to a situation from which she, on her own, cannot defend herself against; or
 b) Abandoning her without defence, whenever the agent had the duty to guard her, to watch over her or to assist her
;"

 This legal type of crime is only fulfilled with intent, and this intent has to cover the creation of danger to the victim's life, as well as the absence of a capacity to defend herself, on the victim's behalf. In the case of the files and facing the elements that were collected it is evident that none of the arguidos Gerald or Kate acted with intent. The parents could not foresee that in the resort that they chose to spend a brief holiday, they could place the life of any of their children in danger, nor was that demanded from them: it was located in a peaceful area, where most of the residents are foreign citizens of the same nationality and without any known history of this type of criminality.

 The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments.

 Reinforcing what was said is also the fact that despite leaving their daughter alone with her siblings in the apartment during more or less dilated moments, it is certain that in any case they checked on them. Without any pretension or compensatory effect, we must also recognise that the parents already expiate a heavy penalty - the disappearance of Madeleine - due to their lack of caution in the surveillance and protection of their children.

Offline Carana

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #238 on: March 23, 2014, 02:51:21 PM »
Whoever these people were (or worse, are), were they fully investigated at the time? Or even now? Some were serious sexual assaults, for heaven's sake.

And what exactly is Moita Flores on about now?

 Comment on CMTV Maddie Case: Moita Flores says alleged rapist is "Propaganda" March 20, 00:49 Francisco Moita Flores is skeptical of the new data from the Maddie case. The commentator CMTV says the alleged rapist being sought "is just propaganda" and said Scotland Yard should not give so much importance to vague data.

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Comentário na CMTV Caso Maddie: Moita Flores diz que alegado violador é "propaganda" 20 de março, 00:49 Francisco Moita Flores está cético quanto aos novos dados do caso Maddie. O comentador da CMTV diz que o alegado violador que está a ser procurado "não passa de propaganda" e disse que a Scotland Yard não deve dar tanta relevância a dados vagos.

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« Last Edit: March 23, 2014, 02:56:06 PM by Carana »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #239 on: March 23, 2014, 02:54:18 PM »
Try again

The behaviour of the dogs has been dismissed as irrelevant

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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.