DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.

[Mr Gray]

   dave...on the grounds of possibility..if maddie had died in the apt and been removed immediately then cadaver scent would not have been present...therefore death in the apt is possible without cadaver alert
  what do you think Andy and co UNCOVERED [ his words to Guardian reporter] which made the team q whether M was alive when she left 5a ?

I don't think he has discovered anything...I think its been a possibility from day one

[icabodcrane]

if SY say Maddie may be alive then SY are discounting the dog's alerts...Sy say maddie may still be alive...which part of that don't you undersatnd

Scotland Yard allow for the possibility that the cadaver was wrong    ...   "Madeleine  may alive"

Scotland Yard allow for the possibility that the cadaver dog was right  ...   "Madeleine may have died in the apartment"

Scotland Yard appear to have taken the position that the cadaver dog alerts have yet to be proven right or wrong  and both possibilites must be considered

[Albertini]

First I see the difference... with amaral..he didn't understand either the dogs alerts or the dna evidence..SY do.


The opposite of DID NOT is DID...SY have said MAY...  Sy have not said precisely the opposite.....you are 100% wrong again

Firstly, given you are not privy to the day in day out workings of the Yard you have no idea of their understanding of, nor the weight and content of their evidence.

Secondly YOU were the one who stated as fact that SY had "discounted" the dogs alerts.  You were the one making a bold claim on what SY believed, not me.

So i don't have to prove anything as it wasn't me making a fanciful claim.

I repeat in order for your conclusion to be accurate that SY had "discounted" the dog alerts the only way that could be possible is for them to either categorically dismiss the findings publicly, which they haven't done (as much as you would like them to have done), or for them to categorically state it was impossible Madeleine had died whilst in the apartment.

They have not done either so your claim that they have definitely reached a conclusion about the alerts is once again wrong.

[Albertini]

Scotland Yard allow for the possibility that the cadaver was wrong    ...   "Madeleine  may alive"

Scotland Yard allow for the possibility that the cadaver dog was right  ...   "Madeleine may have died in the apartment"

Scotland Yard appear to have taken the position that the cadaver dog alerts have yet to be proven right or wrong  and both possibilites must be considered

And that's working on the assumption you take everything said by SY at face value.

I can understand why they said she "may be alive" even if they secretly think she may be dead, but i can see no logic for them saying she may have died in the apartment, if they thought she was actually alive.

[Wonderfulspam]

And that's working on the assumption you take everything said by SY at face value.

I can understand why they said she "may be alive" even if they secretly think she may be dead, but i can see no logic for them saying she may have died in the apartment, if they thought she was actually alive.

Precisely, and no age progressed pictures on CW speaks volumes really.

[icabodcrane]

And that's working on the assumption you take everything said by SY at face value.

I can understand why they said she "may be alive" even if they secretly think she may be dead, but i can see no logic for them saying she may have died in the apartment, if they thought she was actually alive.

That's  a very logical observation 

Why  would  Scotland Yard say Madeleine might have died in the apartment if they think she left there alive   ( abducted  )  ?

To what purpose  ?

[Mr Gray]

Firstly, given you are not privy to the day in day out workings of the Yard you have no idea of their understanding of, nor the weight and content of their evidence.

Secondly YOU were the one who stated as fact that SY had "discounted" the dogs alerts.  You were the one making a bold claim on what SY believed, not me.

So i don't have to prove anything as it wasn't me making a fanciful claim.

I repeat in order for your conclusion to be accurate that SY had "discounted" the dog alerts the only way that could be possible is for them to either categorically dismiss the findings publicly, which they haven't done (as much as you would like them to have done), or for them to categorically state it was impossible Madeleine had died whilst in the apartment.

They have not done either so your claim that they have definitely reached a conclusion about the alerts is once again wrong.

let me make this really simple for you...
SY have said Maddie may still be alive...if maddie is alive.. which SY confirm is possible......the dogs are wrong

[Albertini]

semantics

No, absolutely critical. To believe that a statement made in the past will not ever change as an investigation matures and develops, and as new evidence comes in, is frankly ludicrous and put forward only to cling to the "McCann's not suspect line".

For example bundleman was a prime suspect at the beginning of the review. He has subsequently been discounted.

The investigation has therefore progressed and as a result earlier assumptions have changed.

If it can happen with Bundleman why could it not happen to the <cCann's and their group?

[Wonderfulspam]

let me make this really simple for you...
SY have said Maddie may still be alive...if maddie is alive.. which SY confirm is possible......the dogs are wrong

That's working on the assumption that the dogs alerts prove she died.

Something which your lot have been incredibly keen to point out isn't necessarily so.

[Mr Gray]

And that's working on the assumption you take everything said by SY at face value.

I can understand why they said she "may be alive" even if they secretly think she may be dead, but i can see no logic for them saying she may have died in the apartment, if they thought she was actually alive.

third time wrong..they don't think she is actually alive...they think she MAY be alive...you really don't seem to understand anything

[Mr Gray]

No, absolutely critical. To believe that a statement made in the past will not ever change as an investigation matures and develops, and as new evidence comes in, is frankly ludicrous and put forward only to cling to the "McCann's not suspect line".

For example bundleman was a prime suspect at the beginning of the review. He has subsequently been discounted.

The investigation has therefore progressed and as a result earlier assumptions have changed.

If it can happen with Bundleman why could it not happen to the <cCann's and their group?

absolutely right..well done..just as having reached a conclusion on the available evidence....if new evidence arises then a new conclusion will be arrived at

[jassi]

lets keep it simple..if she is alive...what does that say about the dogs alerts

As we don't know that, speculation is pointless.

[Wonderfulspam]

lets keep it simple..if she is alive...what does that say about the dogs alerts

That they scented Seans sea bass, all those rotten nappies or Kates trip to the morgue in beach wear.

[Mr Gray]

As we don't know that, speculation is pointless.

I can see why you want to avoid answering the question..because if maddie is alive...as SY and amarals lawyer accept is a possibility..then the dogs are wrong..

that is an undeniable fact

[Mr Gray]

Let's keep it simple....if she died before leaving the apt....to which SY are considering the possibility, which can only have been brought about by the dog alerts.....what does that say about the McCanns checks that night?

nothing